why ram madhav went back to RSS

[Raven_Rayes]

6 minutes ago, Mancode said:

he already did ra 72000/yr nyay scheme in 2019 elections 

but lost

India is a gone case tammudu.

the complexity of handling a billion competing interests is too much even for the world's smartest supercomputers

and Indian leaders are not even that smart.

slowly and surely India will degrade, and collapse one day.

[Mancode]

2 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

and forgot about it the very next day.. The response to his offer was tremendous. I distinctly remember defending this offer with strangers on train when i was traveling all over India at that time.

next time, he should campaign on it, and not drop it like a coward because some feudal congi old fcukers don't appreciate it.

comedy apesi eli paduko

farm loan waiver is better scheme than it 

i hope modi doess it once before election and come back with huge majority

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, Mancode said:

comedy apesi eli paduko

farm loan waiver is better scheme than it 

i hope modi doess it once before election and come back with huge majority

Modi can win. but India is a gone case. lmao.

[Raven_Rayes]

3 minutes ago, Mancode said:

comedy apesi eli paduko

farm loan waiver is better scheme than it 

i hope modi doess it once before election and come back with huge majority

6000/mo is a killer scheme. Its much better than farm loan waiver if messaged appropriately.

not even close.

ofcourse India is still doomed. but atleast we'll working with different ideas to see how they pan out in real, instead of the same old rotta sh1t Modi does...

[Mancode]

39 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

6000/mo is a killer scheme. Its much better than farm loan waiver if messaged appropriately.

not even close.

ofcourse India is still doomed. but atleast we'll working with different ideas to see how they pan out in real, instead of the same old rotta sh1t Modi does...

ok

[telugu_fan]

On 1/21/2023 at 10:05 PM, Pahelwan2 said:

Asalu ee NRC uniform civil code caa ante endo cheppi na kallu teripinchu anna

@Android_Halwa written very well, i will add to it.

NRC - National Register of Citizens. Basically need to document who all are citizens of the country, who else are living in country for work related issues and who are illegals or refugees or temporary asylum seekers etc. helps in the long run to formulate policies based on your population, what % muslims, christians, hindus, sc/st's in a particular region, so that govt funding is catered to that population best.

2020 interview lo Amit Shah gave the example of Gujarat prior to 2014 where workers from other states (from bengal i think) came to Gujarat for work and were concentrated in some regions, so the state govt took the decision of teaching their local language in schools in those areas by hiring teachers/contract workers. So holidays and other facilities can be catered if needed and funding for the same.

Having madrassas being funded based on the muslim population or govt schools being funded if people are still living in ruarl areas and didn't move to urban places. helps with planning and optimum allocation of funds in terms of pure govt work in theory.

 

[telugu_fan]

On 1/21/2023 at 10:05 PM, Pahelwan2 said:

Asalu ee NRC uniform civil code caa ante endo cheppi na kallu teripinchu anna

coming to CAA - Citizenship Amendment Act, we will ahve to go back to 1950's for this.

After India- Pakistan partition in 1947 people still kept moving back and forth between countries due to family ties, property and not settling down in a new place. So Nehru and Liaquat Ali made a pact the Nehru-Liaquat Ali pact of 1952 i think (- i don't remember the exact year). that people can be exchanged if the want to go back to their place.

People often cross borders due to various reasons - sometimes there is domestic struggles, sometimes there are natural disasters and most of them go back once the situation stabilizes. But India found that Hindus coming from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan didn't want to go back as they feared persecution for being Hindus. So even if they went back their situation never changes with physical attacks or abduction of woman from their homes.

So India had to arbitrarily give them citizen ship after they waited in India for about 10 years (they should stay at a stretch and not keep going back and come). In these 10 years by law they don't get any assistance from govt like housing or jobs or anything else. They survive in temprary make shelters with asbestos or tin roofs and work in menial jobs wherever they are.

So the NDA govt in 2019 brought a law that said that all the people in India by December 2014 due to religious persecution (all non muslims will qualify as muslims can't be persecuted in the above  countries)  will be granted citizenship in 7 years instead of 10.

But our media and "secular" parties spread some rumors/lies that muslims in india will loose citizenship and they got the protests going which dispersed after the delhi riots and due to covid.

So all this hungama for reducing the wait time from 10 to 7 years at most. The CAA doesn't deal with citizens of the country, so muslims or anyone else shouldn't be concerned.

The UPA govt also gave citizenship to hindus during their terms, the refugees will have to move in groups sometimes in Punjab, sometimes in UP or sometimes in Rajasthan, but have no permanent houses or facilities and cause local issues when they stay.

So the NDA govt tried to give them all citizenship in one go and it was foiled for now.

[telugu_fan]

Finally The UCC -Uniform Civil Code.

In India pretty much every sect/group/religious entity have their own laws and only Hindus are subjected to laws in the IPC.

for eg: if you marry any female under the age of 18, you can be jailed for marring a minor and this is for Hindus. But if you are muslim you can marry the girl even if she is 14-15 without incurring any jail time unless the girl is not a muslim. that is why in muslim marriages, they first convert the girl or boy if they are non-muslims and then marry so that they can't be arrested. Same thing with Sharia compliance. Same thing with inheritance laws with respect to girls, Hindu girls are eligible for equal distribution of property, but not in abrahamic religions.

What UCC aims to achieve is atleast in common civil spaces, inheritance where people interact there should be common law that governs everyone. People shouldn't quote some book to run their beliefs.

There is on form of UCC already by Goa state, but it takes into account the christian views, Uttarakhand has brought a draft for their UCC, depending on what is encountered and legal challenges and any further updates to rules, the final one for the whole country will come in i think.

[telugu_fan]

On 1/21/2023 at 8:22 PM, Mancode said:

guru evaru nuv , englipeecu baaga matladtunav

andaru lanti vadine bro, telugu lo type chete chaala sarlu auto correct avutundi, malli type chese opika leka english lo chestanu.

[telugu_fan]

On 1/21/2023 at 10:51 PM, tables said:

inthaki article 370 teeseyadam valla em use aindi? any improvement in Kashmir? still aa pakis leptune unnaru kada akkada janalani?

Pakis supported terrorists is separate from article 370, they were killing people supporting going with India before also and will go on untill the govt eliminates the terrorists and the mother ship of pakistan.

Sheikh Abdullah told Nehru that people of kashmir need some time to integrate into India as you have fought a war so they brough article 370 which was temporary and was supposed to be removed as time went by.

Some salient features accorded by Art 35A and art 370.

1. The erstwhile state of J&K can define who are its permanent residents and who can get govt benefits.

2. If you are a non Kashmiri, you will not be eligible for any govt jobs - you could have done PHD or even a gold medallist, but you will eligible for only sweeper jobs and peon in govt offices. this happened to people who went to kashmir as safai karmachaaris in 1950's due to local strike are eligible for only those jobs.

3. Woman marrying people from ouside J&K children will be non-locals and will not be eligible for any state benefits or recognition. This is not applicable to men marrying woman from outside. The one exemption is if the girl marries someone from POJK or by extension a Pakistani the right of her childern will still be there.

4. The state has its own constitution, state flag and Ranbir Penal code, so they don't follow IPC for local issues.

5. No recognition of traditional SC/ST's or reservation for them in any fields.

Under UPA there was a meeting with Pakistan in Egypt (Sharm-el-sheikh i think), where pakistan side proposed that people should be able to travel freely and without visas between the indian side and pakistan side of J&K. they proposed a different currency also for JK. Luckily at the last minute, these were not accepted, or you could have seen a secession movement more stronger than the one that is going on now with a state having its own constitution, money and courts with penal codes and the western powers depending on what they wanted to do could have recognized it.

[Telugodura456]

39 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

Finally The UCC -Uniform Civil Code.

In India pretty much every sect/group/religious entity have their own laws and only Hindus are subjected to laws in the IPC.

for eg: if you marry any female under the age of 18, you can be jailed for marring a minor and this is for Hindus. But if you are muslim you can marry the girl even if she is 14-15 without incurring any jail time unless the girl is not a muslim. that is why in muslim marriages, they first convert the girl or boy if they are non-muslims and then marry so that they can't be arrested. Same thing with Sharia compliance. Same thing with inheritance laws with respect to girls, Hindu girls are eligible for equal distribution of property, but not in abrahamic religions.

What UCC aims to achieve is atleast in common civil spaces, inheritance where people interact there should be common law that governs everyone. People shouldn't quote some book to run their beliefs.

There is on form of UCC already by Goa state, but it takes into account the christian views, Uttarakhand has brought a draft for their UCC, depending on what is encountered and legal challenges and any further updates to rules, the final one for the whole country will come in i think.

Yendho eee code rotta. code and law chesthe aipothadha ?

there is anti-dowry law - does anybody care ? there is anti-caste law - does anybody care ?

there is a law against benami - zero conviction.

Social reform lekunda - law pass ayyindhi chethula dhulupukente vacchedhi em ledhu.

[telugu_fan]

2 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Yendho eee code rotta. code and law chesthe aipothadha ?

there is anti-dowry law - does anybody care ? there is anti-caste law - does anybody care ?

there is a law against benami - zero conviction.

Social reform lekunda - law pass ayyindhi chethula dhulupukente vacchedhi em ledhu.

So we should scrap the anti-dowry law because according to you it doesn't work? go to india and try abusing someone ffrom sc/st and see, you will be in jail just based on complaint.

The law acts as a deterrent, so people don't go committing crimes without any fear of law. that is the basis of anything, even sati was abolished by law under the english and reform continued in parallel, with offenders punished and the section of population being reformed after a long time. 

Who is going to reform the Muslim personal law, they certainly aren't interested, as seen in triple talaq case only. And any change to first reform will be opposed by people like you (forget about traditional muslims) who will say big bad modi is making life hell for muslims .

People are being engaged for all the issues even now, whether they change or not is another affair all together.

[Telugodura456]

41 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

So we should scrap the anti-dowry law because according to you it doesn't work? go to india and try abusing someone ffrom sc/st and see, you will be in jail just based on complaint.

The law acts as a deterrent, so people don't go committing crimes without any fear of law. that is the basis of anything, even sati was abolished by law under the english and reform continued in parallel, with offenders punished and the section of population being reformed after a long time. 

Who is going to reform the Muslim personal law, they certainly aren't interested, as seen in triple talaq case only. And any change to first reform will be opposed by people like you (forget about traditional muslims) who will say big bad modi is making life hell for muslims .

People are being engaged for all the issues even now, whether they change or not is another affair all together.

A law has a meaning if breaking the law is an exception and not the rule.

When it comes to dowry, practicing casteism or benami - the law is broken as matter of routine. 

Sati ended because of reformation of OC caste fellows like raja ram mohan roy and the sense of shame they felt. But they did not feel any shame with casteism from which they benefited.

If muslims are not interested there is no point in forcing a law on them. They wont follow just like hindus dont follow dowry law, or anti casteism law or behami law.

[telugu_fan]

54 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

A law has a meaning if breaking the law is an exception and not the rule.

When it comes to dowry, practicing casteism or benami - the law is broken as matter of routine. 

Sati ended because of reformation of OC caste fellows like raja ram mohan roy and the sense of shame they felt. But they did not feel any shame with casteism from which they benefited.

If muslims are not interested there is no point in forcing a law on them. They wont follow just like hindus dont follow dowry law, or anti casteism law or behami law.

And how will the breaking the law being an exception come into force-- by enforcing it. To enforce, you need to have a law first or everything continues as before as it is accepted by the society as a necessary evil or as a convention.

Hindus follow many laws, infact now woman hold the aces when it comes to anti-dowry harassment laws with everyone from the groom family going through jail and courts. The example of traffic laws will be better served as not being followed but again its about enforcing, not laws.

Practicing casteism and benami also needs enforcing, but in this db only we rail on ed raids saying they are useless. As i said in another thread to get conviction you need the verdict from courts - which again allow people to use any and every means to create a doubt with good and expensive lawyers, because to convict people you need to have proof beyond doubt. that is why in the case of salman Khan mowing down people sleeping on footpaths, the court verdict was something like this - there were only 3 people in **'s car, and his bodyguard and driver were not driving the car and salman was drunk, but it cannot be proven that Salman drove the vehicle conclusively. the only high profile politician convicted in India while still alive is Lalu Yadav and his jungle raaj also had an impact.

Even hindus were not interested in reforming Sati, banning and engaging/shaming as a social evil eventually brought an end after many many years. Raja Ram Mohan Roy himself is from upper caste and had to fight many insults, social boycott from his own community initially and then eventually came through and many other communities followed.

Muslims don't want to get reformed because mullahs keep telling them that the book is supreme, so even for triple talaaq it addressed a social issue of woman through courts, so they didn't have much of a choice. So next time when there is a 15 year old married and bearing kids by a year or two don't come and complain about woman empowerment and all the rest.

If people are complying then you don't need a law, if you have law and you are not enforcing them then also its a waste. So you need a law and steps to enforce them and that is the right way to go rather than hoping that people will reform themselves. Why will anyone reform when they feel they are not loosing anything.

[Raven_Rayes]

5 hours ago, telugu_fan said:

Finally The UCC -Uniform Civil Code.

In India pretty much every sect/group/religious entity have their own laws and only Hindus are subjected to laws in the IPC.

for eg: if you marry any female under the age of 18, you can be jailed for marring a minor and this is for Hindus. But if you are muslim you can marry the girl even if she is 14-15 without incurring any jail time unless the girl is not a muslim. that is why in muslim marriages, they first convert the girl or boy if they are non-muslims and then marry so that they can't be arrested. Same thing with Sharia compliance. Same thing with inheritance laws with respect to girls, Hindu girls are eligible for equal distribution of property, but not in abrahamic religions.

What UCC aims to achieve is atleast in common civil spaces, inheritance where people interact there should be common law that governs everyone. People shouldn't quote some book to run their beliefs.

There is on form of UCC already by Goa state, but it takes into account the christian views, Uttarakhand has brought a draft for their UCC, depending on what is encountered and legal challenges and any further updates to rules, the final one for the whole country will come in i think.

why should there be a common law?