Gujarat Allarlu..

[RSUCHOU]

3 hours ago, DuvvaAbbulu said:

Bro vallu fire endhuku pettaru asalu

just bogi is full of Hindus going to ayodha anthe,

that is also a plan by modi

he only killed Hindus for next election ane antaru , keshubhai Patel ki vediki edho Lolli ane 

Going kadhu. Coming back from Ayodhya. Godhra is a muslim majority municipality with a history of violence. More than 100 communal riots happened in Godhra starting 1947. Major communal riots were perpetrated by Muslim's (Ghanchi) on Sindhi communities. Gujarat before 2002 was a communal hotbed laden with curfews and disruptions to normal life. The retribution was unanticipated. I have several Gujju friends who are extremely divided on what happened. But, all of them do agree that, after 2002, there were such strict measures implemented by the government that the scenario changed entirely.

One of my ex-managers was on a business trip to Gujarat while working with a PSU during the riots. He was Bihari who got stuck in the crossfire. According to him, the police and the army did jump in immediately wherever they could and restored law and order. But, in some ghettoized areas, there was not enough personnel. Also, it seems that reporters in their bid to report live, were showing locations of where people were hiding and taking safe shelter. That increased the casualties. 

Coming to the role of Modi, it is highly debated. No 2 gujjus ever have the same version. As they say, loguttu perummallaki eruka.

[JavaBava]

3 minutes ago, Mancode said:

no bro no sane person will do that 

coz the decade before that country witnessed lot of trauma , mumbai riots , dawood ibrahim bomb blasts , muslims owing upto babri masjid even though it had no significance on the other side hindus patiently asked ram janmabhoomi to muslims to give it back as temple was destroyed by babur and he built a mosque on that , muslims could have done that in good sense but they always had feeling that its on majority religion to protect secularism in country every other day ....that bothered lot of normal hindus too....

so happend is happend

Ok thank u for taking time. Good luck bro. U r right. Be happy. 

[Spartan]

Govt khali ga kurchoni undi ani meeru anukunte saripodu..

akkada prajalu...why did they vote back the same govt since then..?

why didnt they demolish the party there...

because they knew,,things changed rapidly after those riots...and it is the most fast paced development state in India now..

aipoina dani gurinchi political labdhi kosam ippudu evdo video lu vesi teste...malli adi disco chesi..khandinchi...ide cheskunta undandi...

 

[Mancode]

Just now, JavaBava said:

Ok thank u for taking time. Good luck bro. U r right. Be happy. 

if modi gone gujarat gone at that there is this feeling 

so no one thought it was wrong even today , after that no incidents ever happend in gujarat , bcoz riots usually started by muslims in all cases , they feared to start one after this incident

[JavaBava]

1 minute ago, Spartan said:

Govt khali ga kurchoni undi ani meeru anukunte saripodu..

akkada prajalu...why did they vote back the same govt since then..?

why didnt they demolish the party there...

because they knew,,things changed rapidly after those riots...and it is the most fast paced development state in India now..

aipoina dani gurinchi political labdhi kosam ippudu evdo video lu vesi teste...malli adi disco chesi..khandinchi...ide cheskunta undandi...

 

Adem ledu bro monna aadevado history nunche future development untadi annadu .. ala kadu la undi ..  sare kani discussion end cheddam antav govt di em tappu ledu ani nirdharinchi .. ok nee istam bro .. proud ga padukundam

[JavaBava]

2 minutes ago, Mancode said:

if modi gone gujarat gone at that there is this feeling 

so no one thought it was wrong even today , after that no incidents ever happend in gujarat , bcoz riots usually started by muslims in all cases , they feared to start one after this incident

Yes bro u r right. Nuvvedante ade. Inko sari inko oochakota jarigina evaridi tappu kadu andulo govt di kadu police kadu politicians kadu janalu kadu .. aliens meeda eseddam sleep bro

[tennisluvrredux]

47 minutes ago, reality said:

I never said he is the sole reason. I am just giving credit to his work and stressing on the need to acknowledge it and shut the blind hatred.

inka unnaru scientists cheppalante…don’t know why you didn’t mention…Homi bhabha … he is a muslim too…

Homi Jehangir Bhabha, FRS (30 October 1909 – 24 January 1966) was an Indian nuclear physicist, founding director, and professor of physics at the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research (TIFR).[2] Colloquially known as "Father of Indian nuclear programme",[3] Bhabha was also the founding director of the Atomic Energy Establishment, Trombay (AEET) which is now named the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre in his honour. TIFR and AEET were the cornerstone of Indian development of nuclear weapons which Bhabha also supervised as director.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homi_J._Bhabha

I didn't mention him because it's well known that he was the founding father of the nuclear program, so didn't need special mention. 

Not that it matters, but he's a PARSI(like the Tatas) and not a Muslim. Look up more into his background to know that, Homi’s paternal aunt, also Meherbai, was married to Dorab Tata, the elder son of the pioneer of Indian industry, Jamsetji Nusserwanji Tata.

https://artsandculture.google.com/story/life-and-work-of-the-great-visionary-homi-j-bhabha-tata-institute-of-fundamental-research/swVxRxSI7wMA8A?hl=en

[Mancode]

3 minutes ago, JavaBava said:

Yes bro u r right. Nuvvedante ade. Inko sari inko oochakota jarigina evaridi tappu kadu andulo govt di kadu police kadu politicians kadu janalu kadu .. aliens meeda eseddam sleep bro

muslims dhe tappu bro , u can sleep peacefully now

[Android_Halwa]

14 minutes ago, yemdoing said:

I do think killing people in the train was wrong and I said the same . To punish the culprits who actually participate in train incident . 
 

peope in train were innocent too . 

This is where the discussion should start with. The motive behind these killings and the way legal system handled, lengthy judicial process and some termed it as an accident, imagine someone getting burned to death because they belonged to one faith ? There were women too, there were kids and old people in the train but all that it matters is what happened later on but not where it started….! 
 

You might have heard of Ehsan Jafri, the victim. But do you know name of anyone of the 59 victims? 31 people were convicted for the train burning incident, Can you name even one of the prime accused who is servicing the sentence ? 
 

Killing is killing and it’s bad, people have views but ignoring where it started and primarily focused on what happened afterwards does not make an argument balanced. 

[telugu_fan]

5 hours ago, jalsa01 said:

Asala matter enti.. why all blaming Modi as if he was petaa rowdy who directly involved in riots? 

Mumbai 1993, okappudu UP/HYD lo regular ga jarige vatiki eppudu CM ni evaru blame cheyala.. What's soo special abt Gujrat riots? 

Bhakts and Siculars kakunda typical db member ga through some light.

Part 2- why it received so much coverage

Gujarat was already on the boil long before this train burning incident, this incident just provided the spark to push the riots forward.

Modi became CM after Keshubhai Patel was removed for not working properly due to Bhuj earthquake. in a few months he had the godhra riots happen. It was increased in cresendo in media because muslims were involved and there were Gujarat elections about 9 months later.

The media helped put things in limelight with guest authors and prize winners writing completely debunked nonsense.

1. Arundathi Roy wrote in Outlook magazine about a friend calling her in the middle of the night and talking about pregnant muslim woman whose fetus was ripped out of her womb and stuffed her belly with burning rags and OM carved on her forehead. When police asked for more info to track killers she didn't respond and eventually outlook retracted its story after a long time as there was no proof.

2. Gulbarg society case - Ehsaan Jafri who was former congress councillor/Mla was attacked and he and his brothers were killed by a mob. there were reportedly over 200 muslims being sheltered. Arundati Roy wrote another story saying the daughters of Ehsaan Jafri were stripped and then raped/murdered. Even this story is false, as his daughters were outside the country and this was confirmed by Jafris son. No apology for writing nonsense again.

3. The train was burnt on the morning of feb27 and by evening you have full fledged riots in almost 2/3 of the state. Local police is not enough and neighboring congress govt don't send any police forces to quell - rajasthan, madhya pradesh and Maharashtra can't spare any police forces.the army requested by the evening on 28th feb, a few companies arrive and are deployed in worst affected areas on the morning of 1st march.

Some media then wrote that Modi needed 5 days to call the army when it was about 2 days (its a long time but the state govt deployed whatever forces they had and then when the riots were spreading in the rest of the state requested for additional police from neigboring states and then army was requested on the 28th that is about 1 day for requesting army).

4. Most of the media were writing that it was RSS/VHP plan to completely finish off the muslims, begs the question why was army requested and let this continue for many more days if that was the case?

5. So all the stories of modi letting bodies come back to city in the open/ in the middle of the night is just mostly urban legends. Some hindu supporters feel good that Modi did this and some secular/muslim opposer think that it was wrong, but mainly no such incident occurred as per plan.

[tennisluvrredux]

9 minutes ago, tennisluvrredux said:

I didn't mention him because it's well known that he was the founding father of the nuclear program, so didn't need special mention. 

Not that it matters, but he's a PARSI(like the Tatas) and not a Muslim. Look up more into his background to know that, Homi’s paternal aunt, also Meherbai, was married to Dorab Tata, the elder son of the pioneer of Indian industry, Jamsetji Nusserwanji Tata.

https://artsandculture.google.com/story/life-and-work-of-the-great-visionary-homi-j-bhabha-tata-institute-of-fundamental-research/swVxRxSI7wMA8A?hl=en

@reality

There are also a lot of theories on Dr Homi Bhabha's death btw, some say the CIA was behind it as well. I won't put it past them, seeing how they tried to sabotage our cryogenic engine program by trapping Dr Nambi Narayanan. 

[telugu_fan]

42 minutes ago, reality said:

Nice… good job judging their religious association and making arguments in your favor.

Can you also judge innocent kids who lost their lives and their religious association? 

I gave examples of muslim people respected for the work they do, not becuase they are muslim or any other religion.

And before you bring the case of children, there were children burnt alive in that bogie of S6 train, did anyone talk about that or do godhra discussion start with muslims being killed and end with modi being responsible?

[Spartan]

thanks BBC.

[reality]

1 minute ago, telugu_fan said:

I gave examples of muslim people respected for the work they do, not becuase they are muslim or any other religion.

And before you bring the case of children, there were children burnt alive in that bogie of S6 train, did anyone talk about that or do godhra discussion start with muslims being killed and end with modi being responsible?

Who said no…you are just assuming stuff like any other bhakth… their lives are precious and…those who are responsible for train incident should have been cut apart into pieces on roads in broad daylight..

no one is supporting train incident man…like the idiots blatantly supporting killing and raping of muslims… 

[telugu_fan]

41 minutes ago, JavaBava said:

Yes Rajiv gandhi is wrong for not stopping being a PM. What did is cowardly act and that act was not fit for the day. I accept bro. 
 

can aNyone say the same about gujarat govt on that day? 

There is a difference between Rajiv Gandhi and Modi govt, In the case of former Indira gandhi was assasinated and congress workers assaulted sikhs and killed them, they were protected if at all by ordinary folks who hid quite a few of them to safety in their homes and it went for days.

The gujrata govt requested for the army the next day when the neighboring congress govt.s refused police forces. So they had army deployed in a couple of days after the riots started.