Gujarat Allarlu..

[telugu_fan]

2 minutes ago, reality said:

Who said no…you are just assuming stuff like any other bhakth… their lives are precious and…those who are responsible for train incident should have been cut apart into pieces on roads in broad daylight..

no one is supporting train incident man…like the idiots blatantly supporting killing and raping of muslims… 

I am not saying their lives are only precious. I am saying they also matter along with the people who died in the riots. When people don't even acknowledge the lives lost then it becomes an issue of people fighting to preserve their identity.

Isn't this the reason why riots started and you are assuming that only godhra had issues with hindu muslims, when the rest of the state had small skirmishes going on for a long time, once the news came out it was free for all and the police is never going to be enough to stop the fighting in the state. (if whole of united AP burns in the 90's then even Police wouldn't be sufficient irrespective of Congress or TDP govt).

[telugu_fan]

5 hours ago, jalsa01 said:

Asala matter enti.. why all blaming Modi as if he was petaa rowdy who directly involved in riots? 

Mumbai 1993, okappudu UP/HYD lo regular ga jarige vatiki eppudu CM ni evaru blame cheyala.. What's soo special abt Gujrat riots? 

Bhakts and Siculars kakunda typical db member ga through some light.

part 3 - aftermath

As usual, everybody assumed moral high ground as long as they are not directly involved.

1. The congress state govt that didn't send police forces in 2002, lamented about Muslim lives lost in the riots.

2. The Central Vajpayee govt that was busy trying to show itself secular with its allies wanted Modi to resign. It was Advani who stood by Modi and let him continue.

3. The TDP's position became precarious and they didn't allow Modi to come later when he tried to come by and see some schemes that TDP govt was implementing.

4. The media was busy with words like pogrom, holocaust of muslims, and in the early days reported that lakhs were killed, the final tally was close to 1100 people for killed with over 750 muslims and 250 odd hindus mostly killed in police firing.

5. Modi and gujarat had become a radioactive topic for anyone from BJP or its allies with media coverage.

 

[reality]

21 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

I am not saying their lives are only precious. I am saying they also matter along with the people who died in the riots. When people don't even acknowledge the lives lost then it becomes an issue of people fighting to preserve their identity.

Isn't this the reason why riots started and you are assuming that only godhra had issues with hindu muslims, when the rest of the state had small skirmishes going on for a long time, once the news came out it was free for all and the police is never going to be enough to stop the fighting in the state. (if whole of united AP burns in the 90's then even Police wouldn't be sufficient irrespective of Congress or TDP govt).

If we conclude that riots were unstoppable and were beyond Govt’s control, at least Bodi could have had his mouth shut and refrained from those incendiary speeches (being in responsible position). And also terrorists from both sides should stop chest-thumping supporting acts of their master.

Adhi point ikkada….

[telugu_fan]

Part 4 - The rise of post truthers and NGO businesses.

1. Modi came back with a big majority in the 2003 and continued as the CM.

2. After the defeat of the NDA in the 2003/2004 elections and Vajpayee govt stepping down, the new UPA govt was courted by a lot of people with dubious intentions and background and received tacit support from the central govt.

3. You had a police officer Sanjiv Bhatt who said he was in a meeting with Modi and Modi asked Police to stand back and let violence continue, but the senior level officer disputed his versionand said that he wasn't in any meeting. his cell phone triangulation put him in some other place on the said day, but people believe who they want to believe.

4. Harsh mandar was an IAS offcier who apparently took VRS (he didn't resign as is normally thought) as was ashamed of the govt response. SO he got pension from the govt for his work accrued and he set up NGO and is now mainly seen as a point man and gold standard as to run NGO and get money from abroad for your causes. he is closely associated with george Soros and is the board of directors in one of his institutions.

5. Medha patkar took the form of environmentalist and tried to stop Narmada waters being sent to Kutch and tried to stop it through Gujarat courts and was also courting foreign donations.

6. Teestha Setalvad, probably the most famous of them all set up Citizens for Justice and Peace and collected funds and tried to create videos/documentaries of mass graves which she has not been able to prove so far.

7. Mukul Sinha, tried to run a portal to get justice for the dead people in the riots. His son is the co-founder of fact checker site Alt-news.

8. Rana Ayyub wrote some book called gujarat files and tried to claim fame.

9. Haren Pandya, former home minister is killed and it is blamed on Modi as some secret being silenced on godra riots.

[Mancode]

17 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

part 3 - aftermath

As usual, everybody assumed moral high ground as long as they are not directly involved.

1. The congress state govt that didn't send police forces in 2002, lamented about Muslim lives lost in the riots.

2. The Central Vajpayee govt that was busy trying to show itself secular with its allies wanted Modi to resign. It was Advani who stood by Modi and let him continue.

3. The TDP's position became precarious and they didn't allow Modi to come later when he tried to come by and see some schemes that TDP govt was implementing.

4. The media was busy with words like pogrom, holocaust of muslims, and in the early days reported that lakhs were killed, the final tally was close to 1100 people for killed with over 750 muslims and 250 odd hindus mostly killed in police firing.

5. Modi and gujarat had become a radioactive topic for anyone from BJP or its allies with media coverage.

 

except this guy

 

[telugu_fan]

11 minutes ago, reality said:

If we conclude that riots were unstoppable and were beyond Govt’s control, at least Bodi could have had his mouth shut and refrained from those incendiary speeches (being in responsible position). And also terrorists from both sides should stop chest-thumping supporting acts of their master.

Adhi point ikkada….

Atleast get his name right, It won't make your point any more or less important.

Can you post his incendiary speeches during 2002 riots that you purport he made?

You have fallen into the classic trap of monkey balancing of putting the aggressor and the reacting aggrieved party as both the same.

[reality]

21 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

Atleast get his name right, It won't make your point any more or less important.

Can you post his incendiary speeches during 2002 riots that you purport he made?

You have fallen into the classic trap of monkey balancing of putting the aggressor and the reacting aggrieved party as both the same.

I don’t call such assholes by their actual name. Mind your business and just stick to debate instead of advising what I should do.

Here is the video… he is not even acknowledging the damage done to others… disingenuous arsehole

 

[telugu_fan]

part 5 - The rise of Narendra Modi in Gujarat.

1. Modi after winning the elections gets to work on developing Gujarat. gujarat has regions that are quite rich Surat, vadodhara but has extereme backward regions like Kutch, Suarashtra which are arid. The guy is constantly bringing projects to the state of gujrat, tries to make it more investor friendly state.

2. Tries to push basic infra that ties into investment, brings tata nano project when its sent out of West bengal and gets employment to the local people.

3. Pushes to finish the Sardar Sarovar Dam and gets electricity genration and canal help supply water to kutch region. This is a emotive issue for some section of gujrati population and he addresses it for setting some farms in those regions. This leads to discrediting Medha patkar and her environmentalist group opposing this dam.

4. Finishes the gandhinagar water front and organizes tent festivals for tourists in Kutch that gets people to earn money in the region where there was nothing earlier.

4. Teesta Setalvad's former aide tells that she has lavishly spent money she collected using her NGO saying she is going to get justice for the victims. She spends those money for new furniture in her home, liquor, first class flights and more. These reports turn most common folks against her.

5. Ishrat jahan, a girl is gunned down with two more LeT operatives in a joint operation between Gujarat SIT and IB. The Central govt tries to again turn this as a muslim atrocity case and the IB protests saying this will weaken case.

6. Sonia Gandhi comes and calls Modi Maut ka Saudagar, He uses this to his full advatange with local Gujarati pride/ Asmita and keeps eroding Congress votebanks gradually.

[telugu_fan]

33 minutes ago, reality said:

I don’t call such assholes by their actual name. Mind your business and just stick to debate instead of advising what I should do.

Here is the video… he is not even acknowledging the damage done to others… disingenuous arsehole

 

I am debating here not doing anything else, but whatever dude.

this is what you wrote " If we conclude that riots were unstoppable and were beyond Govt’s control, at least Bodi could have had his mouth shut and refrained from those incendiary speeches (being in responsible position).

i asked for the speech where he made these speeches in 2002 that led to the said situation. It looks like you didn't see the video you posted. even if i take this as 2002 election campaign, that happened after 9-10 months of the riots.

he is talking about taking message across 1000 villages, taking message of united 5 crore gujarat population. He is saying opposition is playing vote bank politics and warns congress don't exploit death of innocents for electoral victory.

What is incendiary about his statement above?

Can you post something that he said during the 2002 riots that you said about riots being uncontrollable so he should have shut his mouth.

[Telugodura456]

waste thread. People here like modi because he was a monster to muslim - not because they believe that he acted promptly in sending police or he did a great job in controlling riots  or he followed protocol.

Those are all  typical jaffa lies from some one like @Android_Halwa.

Most upper caste hindus are a death cult who always have ready excuses for killing and murders.

why did 2000 peopel have to die with all the advance notice of riots and polcie force ? the excuse is 58 kar saveks died.

why did 40,000 kashmiri youngsterss need to be killed just to live their own life  under their own govt? the excuse is they killed less than 100 kashmiri pandits

why did 4000 sikhs killed by both sanghis and congressis ganging up together ? the excuse is they killed hindu indira gandhi.

why did hundreds of muslims and hindus in hyd need to die ? because owaisi and jaffa ysr need power.

 

[Telugodura456]

ofcourse i agree muslim side is no saint here. They are also mostly scumbags.

[Android_Halwa]

7 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

waste thread. People here like modi because he was a monster to muslim - not because they believe that he acted promptly in sending police or he did a great job in controlling riots  or he followed protocol.

Those are all  typical jaffa lies from some one like @Android_Halwa.

Most upper caste hindus are a death cult who always have ready excuses for killing and murders.

why did 2000 peopel have to die with all the advance notice of riots and polcie force ? the excuse is 58 kar saveks died.

why did 40,000 kashmiri youngsterss need to be killed just to live their own life  under their own govt? the excuse is they killed less than 100 kashmiri pandits

why did 4000 sikhs killed by both sanghis and congressis ganging up together ? the excuse is they killed hindu indira gandhi.

why did hundreds of muslims and hindus in hyd need to die ? because owaisi and jaffa ysr need power.

 

Happy holidays..! 
 

 

[Mancode]

9 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

waste thread. People here like modi because he was a monster to muslim - not because they believe that he acted promptly in sending police or he did a great job in controlling riots  or he followed protocol.

Those are all  typical jaffa lies from some one like @Android_Halwa.

Most upper caste hindus are a death cult who always have ready excuses for killing and murders.

why did 2000 peopel have to die with all the advance notice of riots and polcie force ? the excuse is 58 kar saveks died.

why did 40,000 kashmiri youngsterss need to be killed just to live their own life  under their own govt? the excuse is they killed less than 100 kashmiri pandits

why did 4000 sikhs killed by both sanghis and congressis ganging up together ? the excuse is they killed hindu indira gandhi.

why did hundreds of muslims and hindus in hyd need to die ? because owaisi and jaffa ysr need power.

 

vu........jokes bagunai

[bhaigan]

On 1/26/2023 at 3:55 PM, Telugodura456 said:

Actually not jaffas but it was congress @bhaigan ..1993 or 1991 anukunta worst riots raa babu.

dozens of people chethulu nariki poyi roads meedha.

Nationalist party - congress or bjap ante eppudu narakame.

maranahomam ippudu kuda jarguthundi kada ra pichi pulka in bainsa mari ippudu congress unda 

nee lanti sanki galu twist chesthu cheppina antha matrana abbadam nijalu ayiipodu