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[Android_Halwa]

4 minutes ago, onyx said:

its as abhorrent as the Telugu identity. it imposes the same test of loyalty as any other identity does. so your rants against Telugu identity is just hypocrisy or misplaced belief in the superiority of your ethos - an identity based on region, which you can't even define properly.

Telugu identity is a propaganda created for political benefits. There is nothing as such Telugu identity before 1983. It’s a failed example in terms of administration as well, such a state itself was illogical. Just because there was another state which takes pride itself linguistically, some people copied the same stuff here which did not go well with the local population. 
 

Anthe kani ikada define cheyaleni antha emundi ?

[onyx]

2 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Again two different measures. When I say I’m proud of Telangana, does that really  mean I have to stay with in its border and take care of things personally ? Some feelings are emotional and does not come with strings attached and this is one such thing.

why are you proud of Telangana.. seems a bit empty pride, when you don't even want to live there.

just like the pride that Tamils exhibit while living in Europe and US towards TN. How different is this TG pride?

[onyx]

1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

Telugu identity is a propaganda created for political benefits. There is nothing as such Telugu identity before 1983. It’s a failed example in terms of administration as well, such a state itself was illogical. Just because there was another state which takes pride itself linguistically, some people copied the same stuff here which did not go well with the local population. 
 

Anthe kani ikada define cheyaleni antha emundi ?

Telangana identity is also propaganda created for political benefits only. It doesn't naturally flow, since TG itself has varying cultures and were repressed for the most part of their recent history.

the repression is the only thing TG regions shared among them. Culture not so much. This TG culture is a made up thing, just like Telugu culture.

[Android_Halwa]

1 minute ago, onyx said:

Telangana identity is now tied deeply with its politics. Its not I who clubbed it. It was you, by embracing it politically as the solution to everything.

I don't know who's embracing TG culture now? and how is this embracing happening?

do you mean kids growing up in Hyd speaking the local slang, coz kids did that earlier too. Andhra people are not going to embrace TG culture, its not going to happen. They will enjoy movies around TG culture, just like you enjoyed Pushpa. That's as far as the enjoyment of a culture goes.

I doin't see how things have changed at all. none of my cousins who grew up in Hyd speak like they are from Andhra region. In fact my relatives who moved from kadapa in their adulthood in the 80s speak TG accent in daily life(as much as spoken in Hyd). so what exactly changed, I don't know.

Haha. Now I get your point and your problem with identities. 
 

You feel someone who speaks TG accent or someone who enjoy Telangana accent in movies can be clubbed as TG identity. 
 

Not everything is political, neither TG identity is ties to political situations. It’s only been 8 years since the new state was carved out of AP and successive govt’s rallied along the statehood for political gains and it’s quite obvious and you know how politics works. Give it some more time, May be another 2-3 terms and see how things change. 

[langa_reality]

Just now, Android_Halwa said:

Haha. Now I get your point and your problem with identities. 
 

You feel someone who speaks TG accent or someone who enjoy Telangana accent in movies can be clubbed as TG identity. 
 

Not everything is political, neither TG identity is ties to political situations. It’s only been 8 years since the new state was carved out of AP and successive govt’s rallied along the statehood for political gains and it’s quite obvious and you know how politics works. Give it some more time, May be another 2-3 terms and see how things change. 

If its not political , why you dora banchens cant accept the fact CBN developed Hyderabad ? You want to enjoy the fruits of CBNs hard work but dont want to give credit. 

[onyx]

1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

Haha. Now I get your point and your problem with identities. 
 

You feel someone who speaks TG accent or someone who enjoy Telangana accent in movies can be clubbed as TG identity. 
 

Not everything is political, neither TG identity is ties to political situations. It’s only been 8 years since the new state was carved out of AP and successive govt’s rallied along the statehood for political gains and it’s quite obvious and you know how politics works. Give it some more time, May be another 2-3 terms and see how things change. 

I said the opposite. I said that's as far people would go in embracing a culture. No more.

embracing of TG culture is not going to happen, unless they live inside the borders of TG. which was something that was already happening before 2014.

people respond to incentives. Sure people living in TG will adapt to the local culture, like in every region. but why would someone living in Andhra adapt to it? They won't.

[Android_Halwa]

1 minute ago, onyx said:

Telangana identity is also propaganda created for political benefits only. It doesn't naturally flow, since TG itself has varying cultures and were repressed for the most part of their recent history.

the repression is the only thing TG regions shared among them. Culture not so much. This TG culture is a made up thing, just like Telugu culture.

It may be your view but TG statehood demand has been in place ever since we were merged with AP. 1960’s saw huge protests in support of Statehood, not too long after Andhra was merged. It was merged in 1956 and by 1960, there were already protests and by mid 60’s, TG was a big issue locally and in 1971 elections, Telangana Praja Samithi won 10 seats out of 11 MP seats on Telangana. National interests came in as a priority for the govt’s else TG would have been reality then itself. 
 

The solution for a statehood can only be achieved politically and it’s tied up to politics closely, but that doesn’t mean the demand was from the politicians for their gains. 

[Android_Halwa]

2 minutes ago, langa_reality said:

If it’s not political , why you dora banchens cant accept the fact CBN developed Hyderabad ? You want to enjoy the fruits of CBNs hard work but dont want to give credit. 

Pakkaki poi aduko bujji

[onyx]

1 minute ago, langa_reality said:

If its not political , why you dora banchens cant accept the fact CBN developed Hyderabad ? You want to enjoy the fruits of CBNs hard work but dont want to give credit. 

CBN is irrelevant to the topic. andhra uppercastes lost the battle of hearts, and its time to accept the loss and work on your own state, instead of riling up guys like Halwa, and getting him to abuse Andhra more.

what CBN did or didn't do, is water under the bridge. No point talking about it.

You can't win a power struggle in TG, with majority TG people, with TG rulers, by supporting an Andhra leader. give up. use your brain.

[Android_Halwa]

1 minute ago, onyx said:

I said the opposite. I said that's as far people would go in embracing a culture. No more.

embracing of TG culture is not going to happen, unless they live inside the borders of TG. which was something that was already happening before 2014.

people respond to incentives. Sure people living in TG will adapt to the local culture, like in every region. but why would someone living in Andhra adapt to it? They won't.

Why would someone living in Andhra adapt to TG’s culture ? Who made such a demand ? I don’t understand your theory but sounds silly..

[onyx]

2 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

It may be your view but TG statehood demand has been in place ever since we were merged with AP. 1960’s saw huge protests in support of Statehood, not too long after Andhra was merged. It was merged in 1956 and by 1960, there were already protests and by mid 60’s, TG was a big issue locally and in 1971 elections, Telangana Praja Samithi won 10 seats out of 11 MP seats on Telangana. National interests came in as a priority for the govt’s else TG would have been reality then itself. 
 

The solution for a statehood can only be achieved politically and it’s tied up to politics closely, but that doesn’t mean the demand was from the politicians for their gains. 

you are agreeing that TG identity is political constructed identity. Just like Telugu identity was. especially after NTR's theatrics in the 80s.

what makes TG identity unique is the question.. and different from other linguistic identities, which you look down upon.

I understand you looking down on Telugu identity, since you had to fight past it to establish your political identity. But what do other linguistic identities do to you?

What makes you confidently say that regional identity is better than linguistic identity, when they are both constructed for political purposes to benefit the upper class of that region?

[onyx]

5 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Why would someone living in Andhra adapt to TG’s culture ? Who made such a demand ? I don’t understand your theory but sounds silly..

so your claim is that people living in TG will adapt to local culture.. which was already happening, even before 2014.

assholes like Telugodura are the exception. Do you see any young person born and brought up in Hyd oppose TG movement? I haven't. I have seen only in this db. Most of them I feel were even shy of criticizing it, or even sharing their opinion on it.

 

[Android_Halwa]

3 minutes ago, onyx said:

you are agreeing that TG identity is political constructed identity. Just like Telugu identity was. especially after NTR's theatrics in the 80s.

what makes TG identity unique is the question.. and different from other linguistic identities, which you look down upon.

I understand you looking down on Telugu identity, since you had to fight past it to establish your political identity. But what do other linguistic identities do to you?

What makes you confidently say that regional identity is better than linguistic identity, when they are both constructed for political purposes to benefit the upper class of that region?

I clearly said the solution for TG state can only be achieved politically and so politics will be involved. But when it all started, it was not at all about politics and due to the nationally important issues, statehood was not achieved back then. 

[onyx]

8 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Why would someone living in Andhra adapt to TG’s culture ? Who made such a demand ? I don’t understand your theory but sounds silly..

I thought you were claiming that people who grew up in TG before (not the oldies, who are crap), disrespected TG culture. I didn't see it.

 

[Android_Halwa]

2 minutes ago, onyx said:

so your claim is that people living in TG will adapt to local culture.. which was already happening, even before 2014.

assholes like Telugodura are the exception. Do you see any young person born and brought up in Hyd oppose TG movement? I haven't. I have seen only in this db. Most of them I feel were even shy of criticizing it, or even sharing their opinion on it.

 

Telanganam has been happening for a long long time and it has nothing to do with statehood 2014. People today embrace Telanganam as much as they did pre 2014. It has nothing to with 2014.

What has changed after 2014 is that people who made fun of our culture don’t dare to do that anymore. Anthe kani people living in TG before and after 2014 have been integrating into our society and will keep doing so..