India starts a fresh attack on chinese mobile companies

[telugu_fan]

2 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

And how much handholding for indian coprorates ba. These corporates have hundred year history (some of them). many have billions of turnover. Cant they compete with chinese companies on basic component manufacturing ?

Having hundred year history alone doesn't work, what is their expertise and what tech they specialize in and what govt laws and framework helped them make a change also factors in.

Wipro was in refined oils business, but with IT and outsourcing trend with govt of India also encouraging that sectors they made a transition to IT, isn't it. The same works in other fields also.

The govt focus and help with concerned laws so that companies can make a leap or acquire tech or have a JV with foreign firm to get tech or manufacturing know how.

 

[shaktimaan]

2 hours ago, anna_gari_maata said:

Pandi baliste enugu avvadu...gurram ki color veste zebra avvadu... chinese saruku chudataniki bagunna reliable avvadu..jagamerigina Satyam...reverse engineering batch adi

but they make some of the best quality products along with the worst even though they reverse engineer

how do you defend that?

[Telugodura456]

6 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

Having hundred year history alone doesn't work, what is their expertise and what tech they specialize in and what govt laws and framework helped them make a change also factors in.

Wipro was in refined oils business, but with IT and outsourcing trend with govt of India also encouraging that sectors they made a transition to IT, isn't it. The same works in other fields also.

The govt focus and help with concerned laws so that companies can make a leap or acquire tech or have a JV with foreign firm to get tech or manufacturing know how.

 

just like 100 year history wont work...simply having cunning JVs work. A policy should be ethical and not change based on their origin of nationality. You cannot encourage a sector through dishonesty and whimsical racism.

What did IT outsourcing do to india all this time ? it made narayana murthy rich and his daugther married british PM. but can anyone say there is a software industry in india that can make a tiktok or shein  or any of those gaming apps ?

[Telugodura456]

8 minutes ago, shaktimaan said:

but they make some of the best quality products along with the worst even though they reverse engineer

how do you defend that?

The funniest thing endhante ...india did not advance because they are too ethical and dont steal anta. Does any associate ethics with indian traders ?

[Thokkalee]

[anna_gari_maata]

32 minutes ago, shaktimaan said:

but they make some of the best quality products along with the worst even though they reverse engineer

how do you defend that?

They make some competitive products but quality is always so-so. Robustness and durability aithe lite teeskovacchu. 

There's a reason why Chinese cars and Mobiles are not available in American market, most of them are spin-offs made on stolen patents. If Xiaomi comes to US they will be fcuked in and out by patent cases.

Also most of their businesses are spin-offs of American products, lacking originality

[Telugodura456]

23 minutes ago, anna_gari_maata said:

They make some competitive products but quality is always so-so. Robustness and durability aithe lite teeskovacchu. 

There's a reason why Chinese cars and Mobiles are not available in American market, most of them are spin-offs made on stolen patents. If Xiaomi comes to US they will be fcuked in and out by patent cases.

Also most of their businesses are spin-offs of American products, lacking originality

chinese cars are now top 10 in both uk and australia. doing good in Uk also. america is a very different market.

Telecom companies are banned in us. Thats why they dont come. Huawei was taking even iphone share in europe but it was banned.

In software side -  all top 4 most downloaded software apps in us are chinese. Inkem quality issue ?

[phatposts]

4 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

us should demand the same of infy, tcs, wipro in usa.

they will happily put a so called USC and say take it biyatch. 

[shaktimaan]

59 minutes ago, anna_gari_maata said:

They make some competitive products but quality is always so-so. Robustness and durability aithe lite teeskovacchu. 

There's a reason why Chinese cars and Mobiles are not available in American market, most of them are spin-offs made on stolen patents. If Xiaomi comes to US they will be fcuked in and out by patent cases.

Also most of their businesses are spin-offs of American products, lacking originality

ever heard of Tencent and the facial recognition they do which is scary as shyt

my point was not about their design and engineering but manufacturing capacity. The scale they do is second to none and it's a feat in itself. Not many can do that

coming to patents cheating is pat of their culture and they don't think twice before doing that. Countries are starting/started to implement sanctions on this issue

 

[shaktimaan]

1 hour ago, Telugodura456 said:

The funniest thing endhante ...india did not advance because they are too ethical and dont steal anta. Does any associate ethics with indian traders ?

ethics gurinchi maname maatladali inka...manollu chese panulu chusthe evvadu visa lu kuda iyyadu

people are too jingoistic in this regard

[telugu_fan]

2 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

just like 100 year history wont work...simply having cunning JVs work. A policy should be ethical and not change based on their origin of nationality. You cannot encourage a sector through dishonesty and whimsical racism.

What did IT outsourcing do to india all this time ? it made narayana murthy rich and his daugther married british PM. but can anyone say there is a software industry in india that can make a tiktok or shein  or any of those gaming apps ?

What is cunning in this policy, was/Is anything secret?

Apple is also complying right, what specific issue have the chinese companies in complying with this policy. Have they spelt it out or have you done any specific reason/research for that?

If this in cunning then what about the chinese insisting the same rules for tech they don't have, i posted the same earlier, have you not read it or don't want to read it since it contradicts your pov. go through the link below and tell me if the chinese govt is also unethical and cunning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/business/global/15chinawind.html

Outsourcing has created a secondary layer of companies, we don't have just Infosys, Wipro, TCS (with Satyam winding down). There are a bunch of mid level to smaller companies in Hyd, Bengaluru, Chennai, Noida and a host of other places all of which have come over time. that is what happens when you have a robust eco system catering to industry. Besides Indian companies work on cost differential and don't do any core R&D so new products coming from these companies will take time.

ironic that on one hand you quote these very things about CBN and hightech city but seem to only remember Narayan murthy for your argument.

[telugu_fan]

1 hour ago, Telugodura456 said:

The funniest thing endhante ...india did not advance because they are too ethical and dont steal anta. Does any associate ethics with indian traders ?

The correct answer to his quote @anna_gari_maata will be on the lines of India got tech very late compared to china, India opened up in 91/92 while china in mid to late 70's.

China has more leverage to do what it does whether by collaboration, joint ventures, outright stealing or reverse engineering by trashing IP's. The west businesses in china are more intertwined that they have turned a blind eye to a stealing of aircraft tech here or a naval tech there or solar panel stuff elsewhere.

the day India and Indian companies have similar leverage they will do the same. A big company like Tata can put in money for reverse engineering, but the JV that they have with boeing in defense (where they manufacture parts of boeing aircraft and Apache helicophters will be kaput and cause business losses for them). So Indian companies genrally don't go that route apart from the lack of tech itself.

[Telugodura456]

1 hour ago, telugu_fan said:

The correct answer to his quote @anna_gari_maata will be on the lines of India got tech very late compared to china, India opened up in 91/92 while china in mid to late 70's.

China has more leverage to do what it does whether by collaboration, joint ventures, outright stealing or reverse engineering by trashing IP's. The west businesses in china are more intertwined that they have turned a blind eye to a stealing of aircraft tech here or a naval tech there or solar panel stuff elsewhere.

 

You maybe thinking you are saying something clever with china reformed earlier than india therefore it has 10 years gap. But i have heard this garbage theory for decades and believed it too before.

INdia was always open whereas china as a communist country was one of the most heavily sanctioned. They allowed private companies only in mid 70s with an arbitary maximum employee cap of 8 - which was lifted only in mid 80s. Even then no private businessmen was allowed to participate in govt till late 90s.

Meanwhile india had tatas, birlas mahindras for decades. we had vespa (italian) scooters, suzuki cars in 80s itself. we even had coca cola and pepsi cola till 70s. We had constant scientific interaction with west. our initial space rockets were gtiven by west, our nuclear tech came from west and soviets.

[Telugodura456]

1 hour ago, telugu_fan said:

What is cunning in this policy, was/Is anything secret?

Apple is also complying right, what specific issue have the chinese companies in complying with this policy. Have they spelt it out or have you done any specific reason/research for that?

If this in cunning then what about the chinese insisting the same rules for tech they don't have, i posted the same earlier, have you not read it or don't want to read it since it contradicts your pov. go through the link below and tell me if the chinese govt is also unethical and cunning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/business/global/15chinawind.html

Outsourcing has created a secondary layer of companies, we don't have just Infosys, Wipro, TCS (with Satyam winding down). There are a bunch of mid level to smaller companies in Hyd, Bengaluru, Chennai, Noida and a host of other places all of which have come over time. that is what happens when you have a robust eco system catering to industry. Besides Indian companies work on cost differential and don't do any core R&D so new products coming from these companies will take time.

ironic that on one hand you quote these very things about CBN and hightech city but seem to only remember Narayan murthy for your argument.

what is apple complying with ? Apple does not do manufacturing whereas these companies and thats their core differentiaror. lets see if india can order apple to design some of its componenets here or transfer its ip of the phones to tata or birla.

Our entire social internet and social media is in foreign hands. Could india force any of them to even open data centers ? 

Outsourcing in india is just a service industry for americans. Despite 30 years of this industry there is no software market in india. 

THe briliiance of CBN is obvious when you see how junk india really is and how he managed to save lakhs of people - many in this forum itself from india by opening us a direct channel with america/

 

[anna_gari_maata]

1 hour ago, telugu_fan said:

The correct answer to his quote @anna_gari_maata will be on the lines of India got tech very late compared to china, India opened up in 91/92 while china in mid to late 70's.

China has more leverage to do what it does whether by collaboration, joint ventures, outright stealing or reverse engineering by trashing IP's. The west businesses in china are more intertwined that they have turned a blind eye to a stealing of aircraft tech here or a naval tech there or solar panel stuff elsewhere.

the day India and Indian companies have similar leverage they will do the same. A big company like Tata can put in money for reverse engineering, but the JV that they have with boeing in defense (where they manufacture parts of boeing aircraft and Apache helicophters will be kaput and cause business losses for them). So Indian companies genrally don't go that route apart from the lack of tech itself.

Add to that China has Geographical advantage just like US from invasion perspective.

West China is full of desert, South is himalayas, and sea to the east. North is Mongolia and Siberia which are dormant regions. This makes them very hard to conquer. US tried to attack from Vietnam and Korea. China successfully created a buffer zone.

Alternatively, India was a piece of cake for invaders.