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[Tryad]

3 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

STFU idiot - yes a lot of things in telugu state suck. I am not going to abandon it. At the same time i am not going to sacrfice everything for it. I just share my perspectives in this forum. I dont tell anyone what to do with their lives. use your brain idiot.

your perspectives are regressive and devoid of even an inkling of thought, constantly challenging others to prove their claims, while you refuse to be held to the same standard that you want to hold others.

may be when you learn how to argue your point without getting personal, it'll be easier for you to avoid answering such personal questions as to your motivations to your idiotic 'perspectives' while sitting 1000s of miles away from the plae you are talking about.

[Telugodura456]

3 minutes ago, Tryad said:

no. I said liberal values created the condition that allowed migrants to move to the USA. wealth is a bonus. They also move to Canada which is not that wealthy. You can see 1000s of videos on youtube declaring 'dont come to canada'  😂

Its simple to explain US being 'wealthy' in the age of slavery. Everyone else was worse off than the US then. lmao. I didn't equate wealth to immigration, you did.

lets talk when there's no mad rush for 450k PRs that canada offers every year, because by now it is established that Canada is a very hard place to be successful unless you are a super genius and extremely motivated, unlike the US where even dumbfcuks can make some nice dough.

yeah sure larger numbers have definitely happened when there was no liberal state.. because there was 'no state' then. No visas. nothing. state is a modern creation. liberal state is its best and relatively fairest manifestation.

 

Canda is wealthy for indians, africans who move there. No emiratis or saudis or japanese move there.

What exactly is your point ? if liberalism equals more migration - thats patently false as countries like pakistan to UAE hold far more immigrants especially relative to poulation.

Also i suspect you have idealized representation of liberal states which no one really disagrees with. but thats not what "liberals" actually aim for. They are status quoists - what challenge to state lol. They couldnt codify roe vs wade. Not even frigging abortion rights which most of the world enjoy.

[Telugodura456]

Just now, Tryad said:

your perspectives are regressive and devoid of even an inkling of thought, constantly challenging others to prove their claims, while you refuse to be held to the same standard that you want to hold others.

may be when you learn how to argue your point without getting personal, it'll be easier for you to avoid answering such personal questions as to your motivations to your idiotic 'perspectives' while sitting 1000s of miles away from the plae you are talking about.

you talk a lot of gas and slip from one position to other. You utterly lack a sense of accountability for your own words and thoughts. you are here for performative preaching and i call your BS.

[Tryad]

Just now, Telugodura456 said:

Canda is wealthy for indians, africans who move there. No emiratis or saudis or japanese move there.

What exactly is your point ? if liberalism equals more migration - thats patently false as countries like pakistan to UAE hold far more immigrants especially relative to poulation.

Also i suspect you have idealized representation of liberal states which no one really agrees with. but thats not what "liberals" actually aim for. They are status quoists - what challenge to state lol. They couldnt codify roe vs wade. Not even frigging abortion rights which most of the world enjoy.

emiratis, saudis and japanese are regressive illiberals perhaps. people with liberal tendencies will not like to live in those hellholes.

there's no point, asshole. the point is that telugu societies are regressive, as regressive as India is. you went on a tangent about liberalism, and I played along.

that they couldn't codify roe vs wade is an aspect of liberalism, duh! Indians don't understand all of that, since they were mostly handed these codes by the british, without whom India would probably be a casteist hellhole by now.

[Tryad]

2 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

you talk a lot of gas and slip from one position to other. You utterly lack a sense of accountability for your own words and thoughts. you are here for performative preaching and i call your BS.

yeah, I'm just reflecting your own style of argumentation. you make a lot of claims that fall flat on the slightest scrutiny and then you get personal and cry when the other guy does it. lmao.

as for performative preaching, nothing can beat the asshole that lives in US, and longs for a telugu state and praises its regressive thinking, such as allowing muslims to live without being part of riots, compared to the horrible liberal states where they can be free to express themselves culturally.

you think its even a contest. says how deluded you are about you own claims.

[Tryad]

5 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

you talk a lot of gas and slip from one position to other. You utterly lack a sense of accountability for your own words and thoughts. you are here for performative preaching and i call your BS.

I'm open to accepting frailties of a liberal state, and of the ideology of liberalism itself. Feel free to engage in that.

the moment you say telugu states are better, or have a better vision that is outside of liberalism, its when I have to lmao.

 

[Telugodura456]

4 minutes ago, Tryad said:

that they couldn't codify roe vs wade is an aspect of liberalism, duh! Indians don't understand all of that, since they were mostly handed these codes by the british, without whom India would probably be a casteist hellhole by now.

So no abortion rights = liberalism ? LOL

First you pipe down a little and reflect on your world. Most of the telugu fellows here are opinionated and loud. In AP or TG they freely express these thoughts and disagree. But have you ever seen an indian or any immigrant loudly giving an opinion on gun rights or aborition  with thellas in american offices. If liberalism is soooo conducive for expression - why are these otherwise expressive people - chose to keep so quiet ? will you do it yourself ra ?

[Tryad]

7 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

you talk a lot of gas and slip from one position to other. You utterly lack a sense of accountability for your own words and thoughts. you are here for performative preaching and i call your BS.

telugu states have to accept liberalism, and perhaps expand on individual freedoms much better than US did. It may or may not result in increase in wealth.

[Telugodura456]

1 minute ago, Tryad said:

I'm open to accepting frailties of a liberal state, and of the ideology of liberalism itself. Feel free to engage in that.

the moment you say telugu states are better, or have a better vision that is outside of liberalism, its when I have to lmao.

 

yea the same BS - you can criticize my liberalism if you want but you must always admit this is the best possible system and every other system must be viciously condemned.

[Telugodura456]

Just now, Tryad said:

telugu states have to accept liberalism, and perhaps expand on individual freedoms much better than US did. It may or may not result in increase in wealth.

They have already accepted more than liberalism. Look at my other thread india is mindfuckery. Telugu people have given up pride in their language, adopted north indian names and what not. Thats not conservatism  - thats radicalism.

[Tryad]

Just now, Telugodura456 said:

So no abortion rights = liberalism ? LOL

First you pipe down a little and reflect on your world. Most of the telugu fellows here are opinionated and loud. In AP or TG they freely express these thoughts and disagree. But have you ever seen an indian or any immigrant loudly giving an opinion on gun rights or aborition  with thellas in american offices. If liberalism is soooo conducive for expression - why are these otherwise expressive people - chose to keep so quiet ? will you do it yourself ra ?

no.. liberalism is the avenue that allows people to make their arguments. its not perfect, but its the best we have.

office spaces are not ideal for political discussions. lmao. I wouldn't talk sh1t at work anywhere. neither should you.

yeah next time you are in AP/TG, please carry a kashmir flag and see what happens.. lmao.

on the contrary you can carry palestine flag in the US, even if the US is the biggest supporter of Israel. liberalism.

 

[Tryad]

5 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

yea the same BS - you can criticize my liberalism if you want but you must always admit this is the best possible system and every other system must be viciously condemned.

yeah unless you want to present a worthier alternative to it. you can't.

since you yourself live in liberal land, and refuse to 'give up everything' to walk your talk. what does it say about you, that you consider the riches liberal land offers you as 'everything', compared to the cultural enrichment that telugu offers you?

[Tryad]

8 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

They have already accepted more than liberalism. Look at my other thread india is mindfuckery. Telugu people have given up pride in their language, adopted north indian names and what not. Thats not conservatism  - thats radicalism.

'more than liberalism' .. lmao.

have telugu people provided space for muslim voices amidst them (returning to the original argument). No they haven't. and they never will too.

 

[Tryad]

11 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

They have already accepted more than liberalism. Look at my other thread india is mindfuckery. Telugu people have given up pride in their language, adopted north indian names and what not. Thats not conservatism  - thats radicalism.

sound a lot like whining of the dravidian assholes.

a collection of a bunch of uppercaste assholes that want to take the place of the brahmin in TN, and used periyar's groundswell support for its purpose.

have they achieved anything? other than creating a new ruling class in TN?

who will head this 'telugu movement'? again same non-brahmin UC in ap. kamma kapu reddy etc. and what do you think the result will be. you are looking at current TN. that's about the limit of how far such bs will be allowed to go.

[Kreole_]