Hospitals in USA are big scam - lost father-in-law

[anna_gari_maata]

8 hours ago, dhuku said:

naa left leg ki hole laga vachindhi kaka.. 3-4 months treatment thesukunna.. aa tests ee tests emi workout avvalae..aa foot Big Toe theseyyali annadu...    luckily ind plan vundae.. hyd lo digaka doctor deggara pothae - idhi corn infection ani bandage kattadu.. even after coming to US.. aa Corn bandages CVS Store/ Walmart lo dorukuthayi.. aa bandages continue chesa.. Got Cured finally.. Without removing mu Big Toe finally...

My FIL relative anta (I met him) ,yoga guru.. ii south ind editions pathanjali books lo athani photots kuda vuntayi.. edo kidney Prob.. Bcoz of some strict diet.. Ind lo they lost hopes.. He came to US, got cured and malli back to Delhi Pathanjali Ashram

it depends kaka.. nothing to get regretted..

And insurance antava.. mi FIL assignee pettukunnaru antunnavu... ??

Naa masters lo foot lo blisters vacchayi... kaliki liquid nitrogen vesi 900 $ bills medicine iccharu with premium insurance. Avi chetiki kooda paakayi...maa sister m. pharma cheste mumbai nundi mandulu kooda teppincha money saving ki

 

antha ayyaka shoe tight ga undi marchi chudu ani roommate salaha icchadu, large size shoe konte blisters varam lo poyayi... naku full clarity vacchindi US medicine ante

 

literal ga ide US hospitals

 

ee vishyam lo Obama is devudu anipistadu

[ANNA_PLEASE_PETTU]

19 hours ago, bankris said:

This all happened at the end of May of this year. I really didn't want to post this sad news in here. But today i saw a post about an emergency room visit experience. So, I thought it would be useful for others to know how the hospitals in USA are and also it will be helpful to people who really are looking for such emergency air medical transport services. 

Bro

Sorry for your family tharuma what you been through

1) Did you ever post in this forum? sommeone would have guided you for sure 

2) did you post link of SOS FB? I am admin there and I read almost all posts, didnt find this kind of post, or our team would have helped you.

[surfroshan]

3 minutes ago, ANNA_PLEASE_PETTU said:

Bro

Sorry for your family tharuma what you been through

1) Did you ever post in this forum? sommeone would have guided you for sure 

2) did you post link of SOS FB? I am admin there and I read almost all posts, didnt find this kind of post, or our team would have helped you.

SOS FB ante??

[Konebhar6]

33 minutes ago, anna_gari_maata said:

Naa masters lo foot lo blisters vacchayi... kaliki liquid nitrogen vesi 900 $ bills medicine iccharu with premium insurance. Avi chetiki kooda paakayi...maa sister m. pharma cheste mumbai nundi mandulu kooda teppincha money saving ki

 

antha ayyaka shoe tight ga undi marchi chudu ani roommate salaha icchadu, large size shoe konte blisters varam lo poyayi... naku full clarity vacchindi US medicine ante

 

literal ga ide US hospitals

 

ee vishyam lo Obama is devudu anipistadu

Very similar situation for me. Long walk's chesinappudu ankle and heel pain.. Doctor did not solve or give a remedy. Change of shoes to ASICS solved. Since then I use only ASICS.

[neethy]

17 hours ago, bankris said:

He came to USA.. got COVID from my toddler who was going to day care that time. went to emergency. They gave medication, steroids etc and he became well after a while. HE was fully vaccinated with two main doeses and boosters back in India. 

Later he got aspiration issues.. Whatever food he was eating was going into his lungs and becoming infected. Doctors couldn't detect that initially and they were treating to be COVID as he was testing positive. So, they stopped solid food and were given only a liquid diet from the beginning and s.. Basically, here is what their first negligence. When they know food is going into his lungs, they should stop giving liquids and should only give semi-liquids by mixing thickeners. even water he should not take directly.. he should take only after mixing with thickeners.. They would get to know this had they did a simple dye test. We came to know about this from doctors in India and suggested the same to doctors here. But, they didn't listen to us and were giving him liquid foods continuously.. After almost 2 months,, they realized and did a dye test and found a hole in the food pipe and realized that liquid food should not be given.. so, they changed the course. Meanwhile, when uncle was in ICU for so many days, he became delusional.. contracted a very bad ear infection and also shingles.. So, they had to treat those first.. even with Shingles, and ear infections, they sent home and asked us to give IV from home. A nurse came home and trained my wife on giving IV. his situation was deteriorating day by day.. Basically they were treating for lung infection on one side and on the other side they were screwing his lungs by giving only liquid diets.. his entire health got messed up. he lost hearing on both ears.. in the last whole month, we could communicate with him with a whiteboard and marker.. We have seen him in suffering and in pain so much. 

Finally, they realized all was messed up, and they admitted him to ICU.. after 3 days again they were discharging him and forcing us to come to the hospital and take him home.. Me and my wife were both in the middle of meetings and we can calls from a number of people from hospital to come and take him home. including the director.. When we went to hospital to bring him home, they changed rout and doctors were asking us why he is being discharged and why we are taking him home.. So, they messed up everything.. no communication between doctors and management,, nursing staff. We really didnt know what was happening.. They moved him from ICU to regular rooma nd then again to ICU.. they literally confused us a lot.. It was hell of three months for us with having a toddler, new born baby and both of us working and taking turns to be in hospital during day and night..

I work in finance and so i can;t connect in hospital network. so, i was working from home in day time and my wife was working from the hospital during day (leaving the new born baby at home), and i used to stay at home in the daytime.. and stay in the hospital at night. daily taking my toddler son to day care and feeding my infant baby with bottles. we literally cried every day for a solution and help.. There was gross negligence by hospital at every step.. He came to USA as a normal person in November.. By MAy he couldn't even get up from bed to even eat or drink.. HE lost a lot of weight and muscle.. Finally his heart rate went over 150 and respiration rate became very high and his lungs stopped working.. 

Finally, I think God gave us a solution by taking him away from us. That was our fate..

No words brother ... we can see the pain your family gone through !  May his soul attain sadgati !!

[vkk]

On 7/15/2023 at 7:30 PM, bankris said:

okay.. enough of you dude! I've been respectful of your nonsense so far! First of all, I'm not ranting here! I'm only putting up my experiences so that others will be cognitive of how things work here in the USA. 

Damn Money! I and My wife never care about money when it comes to convenience! Who wants millions man? I've been in the USA since 2009. I have enough saved for myself and my kids! Enough investments to take care of my family for the next decade or even more!

As I said, everything will be cool for you until you experience this! 

I think people like you don't have compassion! Not sure what your situation is. But, try to be compassionate to others! I can't say any more bad words and spoil your day, just like how you are doing to others!

If I were to rant, I would have done it when my uncle passed away back in the month of May. I just brought this up now because I saw someone else posted about their experience in the emergency room!

Dude let it go. No point trying to explain.

Firstly my condolences to you. For someone who has been in a similar situation, i understand. My family member fell sick when visiting and had to be put on life support. By the second day, doctors pretty much gave up. Amazingly he started putting u a fight and inspite of multiple organs failing somehow he made it out alive. I spent almost a month in the hospital sleeping in the lounge many of those nights. While my wife was taking care of an infant at home. Luckily we had a nanny who was helping us out during the day time, and that helped out a lot.

There was a visitor insurance which was abosultely useless. There was also a supplemental insurance which wasnt any help either.

Coming to the hospitals , its the same everywhere. There was this particular doctor who never visited but still billed. Put up a big fight, then later found its normal. As you were comparing it with India , back home in India you will not get the aftercare or the technology that you find here in the hospitals in the US. There are exceptions ofcourse when you talk about big cities in India.

When it comes to diagnostic abilities, doctors back in India are amazing. Here the treatment path is pretty much insurance driven. No point even blaming the doctors here. In the particular case i mentioned above, the doctors were never able to diagnose as to what it was that affected the patient. I still am bewiledered at the whole situation in the hospital here. I was being given subtle hints and once straight to my face to get the patient out of the hospital even though still barely able to move saying costs are going to pile up for you. It is not easy to move a patient to a clinic when attached to a hundred things. Somehow i prevented that from happening after being counselled by a few nurses there.

There is a lot more on the case above but no point going into it. Just a painful experience overall both the stay and an insight into the health care system in general. Spoke to tens of family members of patients, including local folks when waiting. Some of the stories just make you weep. I mean one serious sickness and you are on the street.

All i can tell you is dont let guilt overcome your emotions. Think of the good times spend with your father in law and move along. I know easier said than done, but no other way out.

[krishna556]

information bhagudi kani, lovadalo stamping ledani manishini modda guduputhara. 

Intlo okallu job manestae emi ayetadi.

[bankris]

5 hours ago, vkk said:

Dude let it go. No point trying to explain.

Firstly my condolences to you. For someone who has been in a similar situation, i understand. My family member fell sick when visiting and had to be put on life support. By the second day, doctors pretty much gave up. Amazingly he started putting u a fight and inspite of multiple organs failing somehow he made it out alive. I spent almost a month in the hospital sleeping in the lounge many of those nights. While my wife was taking care of an infant at home. Luckily we had a nanny who was helping us out during the day time, and that helped out a lot.

There was a visitor insurance which was abosultely useless. There was also a supplemental insurance which wasnt any help either.

Coming to the hospitals , its the same everywhere. There was this particular doctor who never visited but still billed. Put up a big fight, then later found its normal. As you were comparing it with India , back home in India you will not get the aftercare or the technology that you find here in the hospitals in the US. There are exceptions ofcourse when you talk about big cities in India.

When it comes to diagnostic abilities, doctors back in India are amazing. Here the treatment path is pretty much insurance driven. No point even blaming the doctors here. In the particular case i mentioned above, the doctors were never able to diagnose as to what it was that affected the patient. I still am bewiledered at the whole situation in the hospital here. I was being given subtle hints and once straight to my face to get the patient out of the hospital even though still barely able to move saying costs are going to pile up for you. It is not easy to move a patient to a clinic when attached to a hundred things. Somehow i prevented that from happening after being counselled by a few nurses there.

There is a lot more on the case above but no point going into it. Just a painful experience overall both the stay and an insight into the health care system in general. Spoke to tens of family members of patients, including local folks when waiting. Some of the stories just make you weep. I mean one serious sickness and you are on the street.

All i can tell you is dont let guilt overcome your emotions. Think of the good times spend with your father in law and move along. I know easier said than done, but no other way out.

Thank you very much for your kind words bro! You made my day!

And,  for your bad experience with the hospitals too! Hope al went well at the end for you! 

You are true, as soon as hospitals see that the bills pile up and our insurance is not covering much, they try to get you out of the hospital! I feel real  for poor and middle-class Americans! We , at least have a choice to go to India. 

[bankris]

On 7/15/2023 at 10:49 PM, ANNA_PLEASE_PETTU said:

Bro

Sorry for your family tharuma what you been through

1) Did you ever post in this forum? sommeone would have guided you for sure 

2) did you post link of SOS FB? I am admin there and I read almost all posts, didnt find this kind of post, or our team would have helped you.

I did post if aftermath! as a comment to someone who is facing similar issue now with a new born baby. 

[cascader]

Sorry for your loss and the pain your family went through. Appreciate sharing the information about Air medical transport system. 

Neither US or India medical system is the best or worst. Had real good and completely bad experiences at both places myself.

From my personal experience, hospitals attached to ivy league medical schools in usa are best.  When it is not possible to access such hospitals, I'd check where did the specialist doctor undergo the residency / fellowship. Second opinions before any surgical procedure are recommended. 

[samprok]

On 7/15/2023 at 2:11 AM, bankris said:

My father-in-law came to the USA last November. Suddenly he fell ill, and we took him to urgent care.. they charged $800.. gave him some medicines.. after a few days his condition worsened.. we took him to urgent care, and they asked us to take him to emergency. They admitted him in the hospital.. for four days and sent him home as his condition is stabilized.. he fell ill again in 10 days. went to emergency.. they admitted him for 15 days now and sent him home.. on the day they discharged him, we noticed he had lost hearing... and told the same to Doctor, and they neglected.. after coming home.. we realized he got severe ear infection.. lot of discharge from ear.. he was again admitted to hospital for 15 days.. and discharged.. after coming we noticed he has a lot of  rash on his head... and nurse came home and checked and confirmed it is shingless.. now again admitted to hospital for over a month...HE became very week and lost all muscle as didnt have solid food for almost 3 months by now.  Only liquid food.. Doctors couldn't diagnize what is the actual issues.. they did lot of MRI scans.. CT scans .. Chest Xrays... could not find anything.. They gave a lot of steroids... medicines.. anti-biotics.. We suffered a lot for 4 months.. with new born.. both me and my wife working and my father-in-law in hospital.. It was hell..

Finally, he passed away in hospital at the end of MAy.. The total bill came to $300,000.. Hospitals in USA are a big scam..

At any point had we taken my father-in-law to India, he would have survived.. Doctors here are very slow.. Laws are so that Doctors can't take independent decisions to give aggressive treatments.. Some of the Doctors are Indians and they themselves agreed that had it been in India, he would have survived... 

We couldn't take him to India coz none of us have stamping.. plus didn't get the passport yet. We asked many people and posted in many facebook groups that if there is anyone who can take them, we can pay the full charge... But, no luck..

 

Upon an extensive search in the internet, we found there are companies who transport such patients across countries after getting necessary approvals from doctors and airlines, and airports. Basically bed to bed service. They take patients from the hospital bed in USA to hospital bed in India.. They take care of everything.  But we came to very late.. They have 3 options. We hired the company called Air med services (https://airmedgroup.com).

1. Book a private air ambulance - $200,000 - They will send the patient in private jet with a doctor and trained nurse and equipment (oxygen, emergency medicines etc)

2. They will book 9-10 seats in the commercial airline to place a stretcher. A trained nurse will go with patient with all necessary equipment. This costs $60,000.

3. They will book a first class/business class seat in commercial airline and a trained nurse will accompany the patient with all necessary equipment. Any where between $20,000 to $30,000.

AS soon as we came to know about this service, we booked them by opting #3 option and paid $25,000. 

They booked the flights and contacts both source hospital (USA) and destination hospital (Vizag), checked the patient condition, got all necessary instructions from Doctors, approvals from airlines, ambulances from hospital to airlines were arranged.. But, unfortunately, two days before his travel , his condition went very bad and he passed away.. Our lives shattered, we didn't know what to do.. 

We complained to doctors hospital management.. we know there is obvious negligence from hospital side at every step.. They themselves know it.. They even asked if we want to do a autopsy.. But, we rejected. HE already suffered a lot in hospital. We didnt want his body to be cut.. We creamted him in here itself in USA (After speaking to his immediate family) in India.. My wife is his only child. 

The hospital could not sign on his death certificate until now. Its been almost two months now.. Usually, Death certificate will be signed within 2 weeks.. 

Hospitals and insurance companies are a big scam here in USA.. India is far better and far advanced than USA now a days.. Plus USA hospitals are very short-staffed now... 

Sorry all for the long post.. But, I guess this will be helpful for our Indian community.. HAd we know about that Air ambulance services 2 months before, we could have transfered him to India and he would have been alive.. 

He came to USA as a normal person.. now he is no more.. He is 67 years old.. no bad habits.. had been yoga guru for almost 2 decades.. he ahs been actively doing yoga all along.. a chemical engineer.. At that age also, he used to play with local Indian guys.. he was very passionate about Cricket and Tennis.. All guys used to be surprised that he is able to run and play cricket at that age.. better than many other guys.. 

HE is very educated and has knowledge in every field including medical.. He used to read about medicines that were given in hsopital and he himself told us that if he is in the hospital for long with such medication, he will not see India soil.. he will die in USA itself and that's exactly is what happened.. 

He never allowed us to sign any document in the hospital for responsibility.. Even in such abd health he signed himself in all documents..This really helped us.. We are not liable for any hospital bills as he signed himself.. Other wise we would have to pay $300, 000 bill now. 

so  to hear bro.
when my parents were here, I always was nervous during their entire stay.. 
 

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