IIT mumbai fines 50,000 for using same stove(not same utensils) to cook veg and chicken

[Tryad]

1 hour ago, rushmore said:

There's nothing wrong in asking for "Vegetaria safe spaces" to practice people's religious & food beliefs. Just like you don't take your well done pork steak into "Halal" safespaces just to respect people's religious beliefs. These people don't dare to take their Non-Veg Non-halal majoritarian mindset to the people practicing "Halal food practices" because they know about the reaction.

yeah. you do that in the US.

because you hold India by the balls, you want to do it. Its disgusting.

do that in the US.. Get mocked and spat on, and keep on.. and after a couple decades you'd have earned your veggie spaces..

learn to work hard for what you want. don't expect free rides all through your life. Other people want to practice what they want too.

imposition of Halal is not even close to veggie imposition. Halal is just a label at this point, which has some ritual significance. You can just get that label for your food for peanuts. Shall we label steak as veggie and share it with you? don't be ridiculous.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Tryad said:

what 'facts'? it is casteist to expect different stoves for veg and meat.

 

It's not, at all! I personally like eat Pork & Beef. I eat them on a regular basis although I don't eat it as much as I eat Chicken & Fish as red meat has also some disadvantages. Having said that, it's not casteist when you're practicing your religious beliefs just like how Jains practice vegetarianism. It's well within their rights to even request for "Vegetarian Safe Spaces". Furthermore, these are caste & religious minorities. Similarly, you don't demand Muslims to eat non-Halal meat or pork just because you believe it's casteist for them to not eat pork or something made out of pork fat. You have to respect their beliefs.

Those who argue that being vegetarian is casteist are imposing their majoritarian "Non-Vegetarian" beliefs on vegetarian minorities. It would be equally wrong to demand vegetarianism on those who consume meat. 

I do acknowledge your argument that as far as India is concerned, eating meat on a regular basis is something that only the rich & elite can afford. When most of the people consume vegetarian food, not by choice, but by compulsion which is far from being elitist. So demanding that everyone eat non-Vegetarian food when it is very expensive to buy is actually mockery of poor people.

[Tryad]

1 hour ago, ranku_mogudu said:

Sandu dorikithey racha racha chesey gangs anni racha started

racha cheyyaka pothey, India inko 100yrs ayna itley edusthundi.

comfortable undaalante andaru vaalla intlo anni close cheskoni undatam better.

[ranku_mogudu]

20 minutes ago, Tryad said:

the agreement to have separate stoves for veg and non-veg is bizarre, and shows deep seated casteism in IIT Bombay.

what do they think of cultured meat? Its a bit sad that India's highest technical education institution is full of dumbfcuks who are still stuck in the 19th century.

Its like ethics doesn't even matter to them.. Just some random notions of purity their idiotic ancestors left them behind.

eating Style/Preference ki caste ki link enti Man. Ippudu  kitchen clean undaali ani rule  pettina caste/religion ki link chesthey how I say.  

[Tryad]

1 minute ago, rushmore said:

It's not, at all! I personally like eat Pork & Beef. I eat them on a regular basis although I don't eat it as much as I eat Chicken & Fish as red meat has also some disadvantages. Having said that, it's not casteist when you're practicing your religious beliefs just like how Jains practice vegetarianism. It's well within their rights to even request for "Vegetarian Safe Spaces". Furthermore, these are caste & religious minorities. Similarly, you don't demand Muslims to eat non-Halal meat or pork just because you believe it's casteist for them to not eat pork or something made out of pork fat. You have to respect their beliefs.

Those who argue that being vegetarian is casteist are imposing their majoritarian "Non-Vegetarian" beliefs on vegetarian minorities. It would be equally wrong to demand vegetarianism on those who consume meat. 

I do acknowledge your argument that as far as India is concerned, eating meat on a regular basis is something that only the rich & elite can afford. When most of the people consume vegetarian food, not by choice, but by compulsion which is far from being elitist. So demanding that everyone eat non-Vegetarian food when it is very expensive to buy is actually mockery of poor people.

your train of thought isn't logical at all.

no one is demanding veggies to eat meat in this example, so why bringing up the question of demanding muslims eat non-Halal? If a muslim says that he won't eat in non-Halal spaces, he's an asshole.. Just like if an Indian veggie (most likely uppercaste) says that he won't eat in non-meat free spaces.

being vegetarian in India is not casteist. I've been vegan for 8yrs now (apart from the 4 times I had chicken/mutton, and dairy milk until last year). Imposing vegetarian spaces in India is definitely casteist though, given India history. How can you say that its not casteist?

 

[Tryad]

14 minutes ago, ranku_mogudu said:

eating Style/Preference ki caste ki link enti Man. Ippudu  kitchen clean undaali ani rule  pettina caste/religion ki link chesthey how I say.  

kitchen clean ga undaali ani kaadhu kadha pettina rule.

different stoves undaali ani. tell me how it makes sense ani. I thought fire is a purifying agent in hindu culture.

its pure casteism to make such silly demands, in order to stand apart as purer culturally.

 

[Tryad]

26 minutes ago, rushmore said:

It's not, at all! I personally like eat Pork & Beef. I eat them on a regular basis although I don't eat it as much as I eat Chicken & Fish as red meat has also some disadvantages.

I've been mocking people who eat meat for the past year, but only when they first mock me for being vegan (which a lot of them do). I have no love for and won't defend meat eating anywhere.

but in India, it is a slippery slope to more caste hegemony. I'm all ears for ethical arguments against eating meat, and I make them all the time, but ritual purity as basis for not eating meat and demanding separate spaces for that is just complete bs.

It doesn't compare with Halal at all, which is just a silly label now, that you can slap on your meat too if you paid some agency that hands out these labels like chocolates.

[ranku_mogudu]

36 minutes ago, Tryad said:

kitchen clean ga undaali ani kaadhu kadha pettina rule.

different stoves undaali ani. tell me how it makes sense ani. I thought fire is a purifying agent in hindu culture.

its pure casteism to make such silly demands, in order to stand apart as purer culturally.

 

Veg and non veg cooking times and people who eat batti..time management kosam we can have dedicated stoves  for each type of meal ( Veg and Non Veg viz..). Even  few restaurants have these seperations to caters both equally in dedicated amount of time.

 

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29 minutes ago, Tryad said:

I've been mocking people who eat meat for the past year, but only when they first mock me for being vegan (which a lot of them do). I have no love for and won't defend meat eating anywhere.

but in India, it is a slippery slope to more caste hegemony. I'm all ears for ethical arguments against eating meat, and I make them all the time, but ritual purity as basis for not eating meat and demanding separate spaces for that is just complete bs.

It doesn't compare with Halal at all, which is just a silly label now, that you can slap on your meat too if you paid some agency that hands out these labels like chocolates.

I'm pretty sure you being vegetarian has got nothing to do with your caste. It's your belief irrespective of the reason why you stopped eating meat. Likewise, a group of people who had shared similar thoughts as you decided to become vegetarians although much earlier than you. Unfortunately, this practice is being labelled as casteist by "majoritarian" Non-Vegetarian class. I'm sure you're already accused of being associated with a certain vegetarian caste or religion just because you practice what you believe. 

[Tryad]

17 minutes ago, ranku_mogudu said:

Veg and non veg cooking times and people who eat batti..time management kosam we can have dedicated stoves  for each type of meal ( Veg and Non Veg viz..). Even  few restaurants have these seperations to caters both equally in dedicated amount of time.

so you are saying if both veg and meat are cooked at the same time, it's okay to have dedicated stoves ani.. okay

its also okay to have the same stove. since there won't be any transmission of meat flavour from a bloody stove to the food.

its common for Indians to indulge in behaviour that caters to minority veggie purity obsessed freaks, so its not surprising that a few restaurant have such separate stoves. But it doesn't make it the only way to achieve veg and meat separation while cooking, which I hope is the idea, and not ritual purity in a public place. If people want purity, they should just eat at home.

Is there such food safety requirement clause in any municipal area? especially ones that are majority meat eating ones? No one will pass such silly laws.

 

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47 minutes ago, Tryad said:

your train of thought isn't logical at all.

no one is demanding veggies to eat meat in this example, so why bringing up the question of demanding muslims eat non-Halal? If a muslim says that he won't eat in non-Halal spaces, he's an asshole.. Just like if an Indian veggie (most likely uppercaste) says that he won't eat in non-meat free spaces.

being vegetarian in India is not casteist. I've been vegan for 8yrs now (apart from the 4 times I had chicken/mutton, and dairy milk until last year). Imposing vegetarian spaces in India is definitely casteist though, given India history. How can you say that its not casteist?

 

How is it casteist when they're practicing their religious rights given by the constitution? It is actually majoritarian Non-Vegetarian nationalism to impose majoritarian casteist beliefs on other caste & religious minorities. It is violation of the Constitution rights.

[ranku_mogudu]

11 minutes ago, Tryad said:

so you are saying if both veg and meat are cooked at the same time, it's okay to have dedicated stoves ani.. okay

its also okay to have the same stove. since there won't be any transmission of meat flavour from a bloody stove to the food.

its common for Indians to indulge in behaviour that caters to minority veggie purity obsessed freaks, so its not surprising that a few restaurant have such separate stoves. But it doesn't make it the only way to achieve veg and meat separation while cooking, which I hope is the idea, and not ritual purity in a public place. If people want purity, they should just eat at home.

Is there such food safety requirement clause in any municipal area? especially ones that are majority meat eating ones? No one will pass such silly laws.

 

Agreed Transmission avvudhi ani kadhu... it is more about catering to large amount of people in the canteen Area in  limited amount of time.

 

It is not about cross contamination that  facility board would think.. how ever we cannot change the mind set of people who understand  it as a over privilege  and then consider others to be inferior/superior etc.

 

While people rant for all these, they never carae about the quality  of ingredients that these vendors use. Pity them

[Tryad]

13 minutes ago, rushmore said:

I'm pretty sure you being vegetarian has got nothing to do with your caste. It's your belief irrespective of the reason why you stopped eating meat. Likewise, a group of people who had shared similar thoughts as you decided to become vegetarians although much earlier than you. Unfortunately, this practice is being labelled as casteist by "majoritarian" Non-Vegetarian class. I'm sure you're already accused of being associated with a certain vegetarian caste or religion just because you practice what you believe. 

yeah I lost almost all my periyar circle friends (barring few) since I declared I'm vegan and started arguing with them about how their choice to eat meat, and encouraging others to eat meat (especially poor dalits) is both unethical and bordering on criminal negligence to the fact that India suffers a serious nutritional deficit, that can in fact be overcome by govt investing in providing much cheaper sources of protein and other minerals.

I'm neobrahmin now according to my former friends. lmao. I don't care about their mocking ofcourse. I haven't heard one solid argument, other than plain faced lying about how beef/chicken is cheaper than vegan protein, when I can get 1kg tofu at any bazaar (not corporate bazaar) for about 120-140rs. and other misogynist false claims about how tofu will feminize men. lmao.

but still, pushing puritanism based vegetarian practices in public spaces in India is definitely casteist, given India's history and the outsized power brahmins weild in India.

brahmins (those who want to be ritually pure) will not actually engage in a debate to justify their practices. They will use institutions in India to bulldoze through others and get their way. and you want me to feel sorrrry for these people?

this behaviour is definitely casteist. It goes far beyond just being vegetarian.

[Tryad]

16 minutes ago, ranku_mogudu said:

Agreed Transmission avvudhi ani kadhu... it is more about catering to large amount of people in the canteen Area in  limited amount of time.

It is not about cross contamination that  facility board would think.. how ever we cannot change the mind set of people who understand  it as a over privilege  and then consider others to be inferior/superior etc.

While people rant for all these, they never carae about the quality  of ingredients that these vendors use. Pity them

it is in fact a huge privilege to have the board understand and cater to such demands and write it down in contracts, as if the catering party can't find a better way to cook for a large amount of people. it is micromanaging by the institute on the behalf of brahmins.

pretty sure the board won't cater to demands that beef be served at IIT.

if the environment even slightly lets brahmin arrogance off the hook, they'll be in public and everywhere claiming how they are smarter and more brainy and cultured than everyone else. Tambrahms regularly indulge in this disgusting behaviour.

it takes two hands to clap. you seem to give a lot of leeway to brahmins, which they don't deserve. especially in the context of demands like having separate stoves. so the voice opposing them will aim to be louder to the extent that such stunts won't be pulled easily in the future.

quality of ingredients is a different topic.

[Tryad]

15 minutes ago, rushmore said:

How is it casteist when they're practicing their religious rights given by the constitution? It is actually majoritarian Non-Vegetarian nationalism to impose majoritarian casteist beliefs on other caste & religious minorities. It is violation of the Constitution rights.

what is their religious right? to demand separate stoves wherever they go? don't be silly.

there are plenty of places in India where meat eaters won't be allowed. No such spaces where veggies won't be. so you tell you who's imposing what on whom?