Telangana racism in 60s and 2000s

[pizzaaddict]

Hyderabad matuku cbn valley development ayindhi  and recognition  vachindi Ani accept cheyandi and we will be happy Ani @futureofandhra @psyc0pk  antundey 

[EisMcSquare]

1 hour ago, pizzaaddict said:

Hyderabad matuku cbn valley development ayindhi  and recognition  vachindi Ani accept cheyandi and we will be happy Ani @futureofandhra @psyc0pk  antundey 

Bocchu emi kadu.. its dotcom boom which resulted  Silicon valley companies to find places around the world and was favoruable and so they choose Bangalore and Hyderabad.. CBN peeku emi ledu.. +   Kamma jathi ki and Kamma jathi conulting company owners.,.. + movie actors.. like murali mohan..  did acres of land kabza....     CBN  vadi abba sommu emina pettada.. its langas land and their money.. hyderabd fly overs money is the Hyderabd GHMC tax payers money...  haa.. yes  yes tried to get IT companies.. thats only 10% of it thats..  its favourable weather bcoz of  IT boom .. thats all... 

[CanadianMalodu]

On 9/2/2023 at 2:52 AM, hyperbole said:

Hyderabad GDP is only 45% of the state GDP, Hyderabad GDP is $85billion and the state GDP is $180 billion as of 2023, agriculture has seen 150% increase in farmers income from 2014, Telangana jumped from 24th spot in paddy production to number 1 in India.

Coming to Jangaon and Mahabubnagar, when was the last time you been there?, Jangaon is where my maternal grand parents are from and I know very well the progress it has made post Telangana formation, currently 5 kms away from Janagaon the land prices are 3-4cr/acre , there are villas in villages now and even the village won award for being one of the best 25 villages in the country, you will see lush green fields with village tanks filled to the brim even in mid summer . That is sight you get now, even Mahabubnagar is not far off from the development that in Hyderabad and even it beats Hyderabad in many aspects like parks and greenery.

glimpse of Mahabubnagar before 2104 vs now

 

 

Janagaon, the estate of Lord Muthireddi. Heck my dad worked there for good amount of time, the level of encroachment of private property is the proof of feudalism (neo). Heck, Muthireddi didn't even spare a lake. Jadcherla,  Gadwal are also in Mahaboobnagar, and the entire area is way backward. The farms don't have water, don't know where the lift irrigation water went to. Real estate price is not equal to development, as it appears to be wrong notion propagated on this forum. What you're seeing is another consequence of Feudal program of raithubandhu, which disproportionately favours feudal land lords, who own hundreds of acres of farm land (mostly occupied with benamis) that get benefitted from this scheme and not benefit those that leased the acreage (kowlu). This free distribution of money, without of productive agrarian returns means the prices are inflated where as the state Treasury is in debt which again needs to be filled by taxes that salaried class will pay disproportionately.

[CanadianMalodu]

18 hours ago, Tryad said:

what does this even mean? if Andhra uppercaste was so egalitarian and full of people who invest wisely, why do they even need Hyd? the argument you make is circular and obviously doesn't hold up, given Hyd has progressed under KCR, the same way it progressed under CBN and YSR.

again you are claiming what certain feudal lords apparently do in Telangana, when my question was - how is TG govt feudal? compared to other states in India.

but according to you, the feudal govt of TG must've stopped this development to a certain extent. Since it didn't happen, can we conclude that either the TG govt is not feudal in any unique way more than the previous united AP govt was? or that even if the TG govt was feudal it doesn't matter at all, since things are progressing smoothly anyways

wrong in every sense. increasing population density is a great thing. That's what cities are for. keeping people close together so a lot of interactions and amazingness happen. Its not stressful to live in those conditions, other than for rural landlords who want huge tracts of land for themselves - an inefficient and wasteful way of living.

plus Hyd is not actually densifying. Its sprawling. It has among the worst sprawls in Indian cities, spreading into every direction. So no idea what you are trying to even say here.

real estate growth is linked to state debt in every state, not unique to TG. you are just coping hard that TG has managed to succeed with people who you deemed to be incompetent at the helm. Clearly if anything KCR proved that he's as incompetent as anyone that came before him in handling state affairs.

 

#Andhra upper castes are not egalitarian. I never said they are. What I meant  was there no dependence of marginalized communities on andhra upper castes in a feudal way, that Telagana has. It's more of enterprise that people started participating in, which is not the case with Telangana. Hyderabad is a city that's flourished on andhra enterprise and substantial chunk of people that live there are of Andhra origin particularly in the Northwest and western part sof Hyderabad. Telangana yet hasn't given the residual Andhra Pradesh it's dues in terms of assets. Debts were distributed though, not assets. Hyderabad is still also a common capital, what do you mean by why Hyd?

 

# TG is still feudal than Andhra (leave rest of India part aside), for there is still very much agrarian dependence of marginalized castes on land lord castes, unlike in Andhra especially in Delta region. The govt. is certainly feudal in that they schemed an elaborate land grab by so called 'dharani', the original land (ceiling) records in old Secretariat were burnt and in the name of 'vasthu compliance' and an approval was bought from High court citing fire security to demolish the strong Secretariat building as a coverup and a new Secretariat was built (commission grab that's another story). Then these lands under government were seized by benamis who were accorded the benefit by raithu bandhu. Each of these lords hoarded hundreds of acres, meaning they get crores of rupees from the state exchequer for nothing. No enterprise what so ever. Zilch! Such a thing would have never happened with united Andhra Pradesh. Even Jagan hadn't conceived a sinister plot like this. Further, the government is paying and legalizing the thief's ownership of land and when taken up to court's should the government change, the proof of burden exists on the government where they have to contradict themselves, because they legalized the ownership of the thief and acknowledged it by paying them raithu bandhu, so hard to win back the land and the pre raithu bandhu government records don't exist in Secretariat anymore.

My dad is a group I gazetted officer and I'm aware of inside details.

 

#Increasing population density over a certain level is not a good thing. You are artificially creating a congestion of all sorts, movement of goods and people, more risks to life in case of fires or floods and sort of taking away the ability to own homes because average salaried guy can't think of owning an independent home because he or she can't outprice a builder with deep pockets who thinks of cramming more people in a  high rise building. Further more, you create more issues wrt. drinking water and pollution as well. Then the government has to spend more to create mass transit systems, this is more of a michavaliean schenanigan.

# Hyderabad is having sprawl, but that's not a bad thing, as it creates multiple downtowns with more reasonable access to goods and services rather than having a vertically dense parts of the city which chokes people due to congestion.

# You don't seem to understand the importance of land. Land is the new currency, the real currency has lost its sheen and can be printed at will, where as land cannot be generated. The rural land lords are right in their instinct as they realize this. Further more, agrarian self sufficiency comes from owning land. Those that control the land will control the government, this has been the case all across the world.

# The debt that Telangana has gotten itself into is unacceptable starting with a Hyderabad and a surplus of over 65,000 cr INR. There is no trying hard here, that's what TG government has been, a feudal one.

[CanadianMalodu]

10 hours ago, Maggavale said:

 

 

How is that wrong ? I was born bred in Khammam? and have seen both sides of the state, that's actually good thing 

[CanadianMalodu]

9 hours ago, EisMcSquare said:

@Telugodura456 I was born for Kamma mother... Core origins from Krishna district..   Emi peekeru ra hyderabad loo ...ee andhra vollu??? boochu emi kadu.. Hyderabad had many central institutes.. since long time.. hyderabad lands belongs to langas.. only.. hyderabad sourround lands are illegally occupied by  royal seemaa.. rowdy .. C babu...  Ma amma kullam. jannam.. alias kamma kullam.. .... Hyderabd flavours build by hyderabad tax payers so called now GHMC not andhra.. alias pathaya hoda gudalla hakku !.. There is nothing from Andhra.. Teleghana was rich state even before India got independece.. ass close  bachaa..     naa ada kavallaa ? nuvu ra bidda vijawada gollapudi adda ki..  supisthaa.. maa  kamma jathi ballagam...   🙂    first andhra has Introspect retrospect abouut their caste fights first. ( scrum pattukondi like  retrospect .. Introspect   .I mean agile system pattukondi )  

Telagana riches came from oppression of poor peasantry by Nizams  and their henchman land lords.  It's so the case with two cities in India that were built this way, one is Delhi and the other one is Hyderabad. Rest of the cities are more of trading posts with sea link and not just as inland. Andhra people doesn't necessarily mean Kammas, they are many other castes. Andhra has caste fights sure, but not feudal culture unlike in the hinterland telangana. Not Patel,.Dora nee kalmoktha banchan.

[Ryzen_renoir]

56 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Telangana yet hasn't given the residual Andhra Pradesh it's dues in terms of assets. Debts were distributed though, not assets. Hyderabad is still also a common capital, what do you mean by why Hyd?

Foolish dream, no state division in India had asset distribution and never will i the future. There is no provision in the constitution 

Hypothetically in future Chandrababu builds amaravathi with lakhs of crores of debt and few decades later andhra pradesh is divided again. Rayalaseema will only get the debt and not a single Paisa of assets will be given to them 

Those who still fantasize about getting assets are either stupid or trying to mislead people 

[CanadianMalodu]

47 minutes ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

Foolish dream, no state division in India had asset distribution and never will i the future. There is no provision in the constitution 

Hypothetically in future Chandrababu builds amaravathi with lakhs of crores of debt and few decades later andhra pradesh is divided again. Rayalaseema will only get the debt and not a single Paisa of assets will be given to them 

Those who still fantasize about getting assets are either stupid or trying to mislead people 

Sorry that's the part of the 2014 state reorganization act. There will be a court case and either a judgement or an out of court settlement as the act is legally binding. Andhra people are not fanatically obsessed with state division again, and rayalaseema has no resources to survive as a state on its own. At this time there is a bonhomie between  two state CMs so things appear cool for now, but the reality shall change sooner or later.

[Ryzen_renoir]

13 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Sorry that's the part of the 2014 state reorganization act. There will be a court case and either a judgement or an out of court settlement as the act is legally binding. Andhra people are not fanatically obsessed with state division again, and rayalaseema has no resources to survive as a state on its own. At this time there is a bonhomie between  two state CMs so things appear cool for now, but the reality shall change sooner or later.

Remember that after 20-30 years . There is no precedence or law that gives asset sharing during division not even in the 2014 reorganisation act. It was just a suggestion in two lines which is not legally binding 

Otherwise TDP  would have won the Court case in 2014-19 itself with their judges and central connections 

Rayalaseema can survive as a state , it will be poor but it can be viable. Actually it would be better for them because they would get a lot more share in central devolution due to high land mass , high forestry , low per capita income , etc. The 15 th finance commissions formula is actually very favorable to such states 

[CanadianMalodu]

6 hours ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

Remember that after 20-30 years . There is no precedence or law that gives asset sharing during division not even in the 2014 reorganisation act. It was just a suggestion in two lines which is not legally binding 

Otherwise TDP  would have won the Court case in 2014-19 itself with their judges and central connections 

Rayalaseema can survive as a state , it will be poor but it can be viable. Actually it would be better for them because they would get a lot more share in central devolution due to high land mass , high forestry , low per capita income , etc. The 15 th finance commissions formula is actually very favorable to such states 

No again it won't take that long. Schedule IX and X of the reorganization act of 2014 has assets that are contended between both the states. Now, the act has conferred disproportionate power to center in this matter, than courts which is why both governments are trying to be in good books of the centre. Further more, Andhra Pradesh government has an ongoing case in supreme Court on this, and the supreme court has asked centre if it intends that a retired judge from SC be appointed to see through the asset bifurcation process. This has not been decided yet.

 

Splitting rayalaseema will only make it a begging bowl then. Not a very good proposition again. I don't think rayalaseema people are as blinded as telangana agitators, those that I talk to these days feel that state was better off in erstwhile united state. These were hardcore separatists from Rangareddy and Medak. Those on the periphery like Khammam never liked the split anyways.

[CanadianMalodu]

18 hours ago, Tryad said:

I don't even remember much of Hyd and don't even care about it. Just interested in what your reasons are to make such broad sweeping claims about the nature of TG, while giving free passes to your own community.

curious to know why people still fight on ap/tg. always ends in me realizing that its just a bunch of uppercaste people telling themselves that they are awesome, and how they'll do a better job than the ones currently in power, but lack any knowledge on how the economy/society works, and have next to no articulation skills, but want to pretend like they have the solution to all that ails society.

'invest wisely' it seems.. This is how brahmins talk about themselves while putting down the rest as useless @Telugodura456.. are kammas the neobrahmins?

I'm a little bit ashamed why I don't learn and keep out of such conversations.

 

Sorry not my own community, as my dad is a SC, and not kamma. No passes given. I'm just stating the industry of the middle class of  Kamma castes and other such agrarian castes of Andhra. Sure there are fanatics but those are in very small proportion. One thing that differentiates Brahmins from Kammas is the account of ritual purity. Kammas never believed in it as much, as Brahmins. So, Kammas are not neo Brahmins, if any they were ardent anti brahminism advocates going by their past political affiliations. The bottom line is state was in better hands  in erstwhile Andhra, whereas with Telangana it was drowned in debt that atleast three generations of telanganites need to pay. The state exchequer needs to dish out INR 1800 Cr. in interest every month to the creditors, and state was beyond paralyzed interms of finances, as they don't have money to even pay salaries of their own employees at start of each month. Those in power in the TRS government are busy selling off the state's assets and taking it in their benamis names, where as telanganites were scrambling to have a roof over their heads.

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[Maggavale]

10 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

How is that wrong ? I was born bred in Khammam? and have seen both sides of the state, that's actually good thing 

wrong anale anna, nuv andhra angane neeku etla mudrestharo cheppina , anthe . nuv enni vaslid points cheepina bekar muchata, inga nxt Ka**a annav anuko , bus inka veli veshude ninnu. 

[Telugodura456]

18 hours ago, Tryad said:

what this thread has shown for me is that @Android_Halwa is right in being racist against fcuks like you.

you guys are cursed to have this tg/ap conversations over and over again. pity you.

 

 

halwa is always right to you. when did you ever took his dick from your mouth gaani. i could tell right away that you, halwa and ryzen are xerox clones of each other

[Telugodura456]

18 hours ago, Tryad said:

I don't even remember much of Hyd and don't even care about it. Just interested in what your reasons are to make such broad sweeping claims about the nature of TG, while giving free passes to your own community.

curious to know why people still fight on ap/tg. always ends in me realizing that its just a bunch of uppercaste people telling themselves that they are awesome, and how they'll do a better job than the ones currently in power, but lack any knowledge on how the economy/society works, and have next to no articulation skills, but want to pretend like they have the solution to all that ails society.

'invest wisely' it seems.. This is how brahmins talk about themselves while putting down the rest as useless @Telugodura456.. are kammas the neobrahmins?

I'm a little bit ashamed why I don't learn and keep out of such conversations.

 

"invest wisely" is same as casteism ? kallu thaagina kothi ki kobbari chippa icchinattuu ..nee lanti sanghi scumbag gaadiki left words isthe ittage untadhi.