Telangana racism in 60s and 2000s

[Telugodura456]

8 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Sorry not my own community, as my dad is a SC, and not kamma. No passes given. I'm just stating the industry of the middle class of  Kamma castes and other such agrarian castes of Andhra. Sure there are fanatics but those are in very small proportion. One thing that differentiates Brahmins from Kammas is the account of ritual purity. Kammas never believed in it as much, as Brahmins. So, Kammas are not neo Brahmins, if any they were ardent anti brahminism advocates going by their past political affiliations. The bottom line is state was in better hands  in erstwhile Andhra, whereas with Telangana it was drowned in debt that atleast three generations of telanganites need to pay. The state exchequer needs to dish out INR 1800 Cr. in interest every month to the creditors, and state was beyond paralyzed interms of finances, as they don't have money to even pay salaries of their own employees at start of each month. Those in power in the TRS government are busy selling off the state's assets and taking it in their benamis names, where as telanganites were scrambling to have a roof over their heads.

There is no comparision between kammas or kapus or even a lot of reddies with brahmins.

kammas are basically farmers and  a working class. some of them became rich now  and few were zamindars in past but thoughout history for vast majority rekkaaidithe gaani dokka aadedhi kaadhu. They were forced to do physical labor to make a living and therefore by any definition part of the proleteriat.

Unlike brahmins for whom historically both shelter and food was gaurenteed by the work for others.

what we have in this junk people like @Tryad or @Ryzen_renoir is complete confusion of terminology. THey talk a lot - not out of knowledge or a desire to get knowledge - but to weave some sophistry to cover up what they actually are - bitter resentful hateful petty caste rivalry paalers.

 

 

[EisMcSquare]

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Telagana riches came from oppression of poor peasantry by Nizams  and their henchman land lords.  It's so the case with two cities in India that were built this way, one is Delhi and the other one is Hyderabad. Rest of the cities are more of trading posts with sea link and not just as inland. Andhra people doesn't necessarily mean Kammas, they are many other castes. Andhra has caste fights sure, but not feudal culture unlike in the hinterland telangana. Not Patel,.Dora nee kalmoktha banchan.

Adding more.. Andhra has recording dance.. sadly Telagana has no recording dance..yes..

[EisMcSquare]

7 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

There is no comparision between kammas or kapus or even a lot of reddies with brahmins.

kammas are basically farmers and  a working class. some of them became rich now  and few were zamindars in past but thoughout history for vast majority rekkaaidithe gaani dokka aadedhi kaadhu. They were forced to do physical labor to make a living and therefore by any definition part of the proleteriat.

Unlike brahmins for whom historically both shelter and food was gaurenteed by the work for others.

what we have in this junk people like @Tryad or @Ryzen_renoir is complete confusion of terminology. THey talk a lot - not out of knowledge or a desire to get knowledge - but to weave some sophistry to cover up what they actually are - bitter resentful hateful petty caste rivalry paalers.

 

 

kottu kondi..  ela naa bagha kottukondi.. US lo kottukuanru.. dhinee amaa jeevtham..   heads break ayee blood ravalli.. bagaha kootkondi... 

[CanadianMalodu]

4 hours ago, EisMcSquare said:

Adding more.. Andhra has recording dance.. sadly Telagana has no recording dance..yes..

The difference being recording dance is a choice,where girls involve wilfully for money in return which is way better than what Telangana  has, an even more evil devadasi or jogini system, that's more feudal in nature.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

There is no comparision between kammas or kapus or even a lot of reddies with brahmins.

kammas are basically farmers and  a working class. some of them became rich now  and few were zamindars in past but thoughout history for vast majority rekkaaidithe gaani dokka aadedhi kaadhu. They were forced to do physical labor to make a living and therefore by any definition part of the proleteriat.

Unlike brahmins for whom historically both shelter and food was gaurenteed by the work for others.

what we have in this junk people like @Tryad or @Ryzen_renoir is complete confusion of terminology. THey talk a lot - not out of knowledge or a desire to get knowledge - but to weave some sophistry to cover up what they actually are - bitter resentful hateful petty caste rivalry paalers.

 

 

From Wikipedia: "In practice, Indian texts suggest that some Brahmins historically also became agriculturalists, warriors, traders, and had also held other occupations in the Indian subcontinent."

National Award Winner Actor Pankaj Tripathi: Tripathi was born on 28 September 1976 in a Bhojpuri-speaking Hindu Brahmin family in the village of Barauli in Gopalganj District of the Indian state of Bihar, to Pandit Benares Tiwari and Hemwanti Tiwari as the youngest of their four children. His father works as a farmer and Hindu priest. Tripathi also worked as a farmer with his father until he was in the 11th standard at school. During the festive seasons, he used to play the role of a girl in his village's local play (natak).[10] He moved to Patna after high school where he studied at Institute of Hotel Management, Hajipur.

Did you ever work on a farm in your life?!

[Telugodura456]

5 hours ago, rushmore said:

From Wikipedia: "In practice, Indian texts suggest that some Brahmins historically also became agriculturalists, warriors, traders, and had also held other occupations in the Indian subcontinent."

National Award Winner Actor Pankaj Tripathi: Tripathi was born on 28 September 1976 in a Bhojpuri-speaking Hindu Brahmin family in the village of Barauli in Gopalganj District of the Indian state of Bihar, to Pandit Benares Tiwari and Hemwanti Tiwari as the youngest of their four children. His father works as a farmer and Hindu priest. Tripathi also worked as a farmer with his father until he was in the 11th standard at school. During the festive seasons, he used to play the role of a girl in his village's local play (natak).[10] He moved to Patna after high school where he studied at Institute of Hotel Management, Hajipur.

Did you ever work on a farm in your life?!

Ofcourse brahmins always worked whatever they wanted. They only got upset when others changed their caste given profession. for example any trying to officiate temples got their wrath.

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

Ofcourse brahmins always worked whatever they wanted. They only got upset when others changed their caste given profession. for example any trying to officiate temples got their wrath.

This is why I say you're ignorant & its showing. I'll give you a very small example which you can probably relate. The Kamma community has their own poojaris performing marriages & other ceremonies. Although the number has come down singificantly over the years, they still exist, so i was told.

Then we have a locally well-known Swami- Swami Paripoornanda, a Keralite raised in Nellore who pursued Krishna Yajurveda etc., in his own words is a Dalit. He oversaw appointment of Dalits who learned vedas as Priests in some temples of Kerala.

There are many such examples which a lot of people deliberately choose to ignore so that it fits their agenda or someone like you who live in perpetual ignorance.

 Will people like you provide reservations in Jobs or educational institutions for those who had already pursued vedas in their childhood but willing to cede their would-be jobs to those first generation non-Brahmin Priests? If so, then I am sure many priests, even those in big temples, will trade their positions for those who are willing to replace them. Only if your intention is not to steal their only source of employment but want to place them in any alternate, gainful employment. 

[Telugodura456]

7 minutes ago, rushmore said:

This is why I say you're ignorant & its showing. I'll give you a very small example which you can probably relate. The Kamma community has their own poojaris performing marriages & other ceremonies. Although the number has come down singificantly over the years, they still exist, so i was told.

Then we have a locally well-known Swami- Swami Paripoornanda, a Keralite raised in Nellore who pursued Krishna Yajurveda etc., in his own words is a Dalit. He oversaw appointment of Dalits who learned vedas as Priests in some temples of Kerala.

There are many such examples which a lot of people deliberately choose to ignore so that it fits their agenda or someone like you who live in perpetual ignorance.

 Will people like you provide reservations in Jobs or educational institutions for those who had already pursued vedas in their childhood but willing to cede their would-be jobs to those first generation non-Brahmin Priests? If so, then I am sure many priests, even those in big temples, will trade their positions for those who are willing to replace them. Only if your intention is not to steal their only source of employment but want to place them in any alternate, gainful employment. 

"i ignore the vast majority of facts but i give some tiny examples . because i gave tiny examples you have been defeated in your points"

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

"i ignore the vast majority of facts but i give some tiny examples . because i gave tiny examples you have been defeated in your points"

[CanadianMalodu]

15 hours ago, rushmore said:

This is why I say you're ignorant & its showing. I'll give you a very small example which you can probably relate. The Kamma community has their own poojaris performing marriages & other ceremonies. Although the number has come down singificantly over the years, they still exist, so i was told.

Then we have a locally well-known Swami- Swami Paripoornanda, a Keralite raised in Nellore who pursued Krishna Yajurveda etc., in his own words is a Dalit. He oversaw appointment of Dalits who learned vedas as Priests in some temples of Kerala.

There are many such examples which a lot of people deliberately choose to ignore so that it fits their agenda or someone like you who live in perpetual ignorance.

 Will people like you provide reservations in Jobs or educational institutions for those who had already pursued vedas in their childhood but willing to cede their would-be jobs to those first generation non-Brahmin Priests? If so, then I am sure many priests, even those in big temples, will trade their positions for those who are willing to replace them. Only if your intention is not to steal their only source of employment but want to place them in any alternate, gainful employment. 

 Kammas have their own poojaris and Kamma komatis as well. All that was to oppose the imposition of Brahminism doctrine which brings the concept of ritual purity, not that Kammas hate Brahmins or anyone else. The anti Brahminism in Tamil Nadu was also because of the same ritual purity that was enforced. Even though shaivaite sects existed in Karnataka and Nizam state like lingayat they never believed in ritual purity like that of vaishnavites. Now I'm not bashing Brahmins perse , just pointing out the sequence of events. Anti Brahminism then turned into brahmin bashing and reverse discrimination in the latter years of Justice party that continues to date, but that's a different story. A simple question being will the head priest of the most revered temple in India , say like Tirumala Tirupati devasthanam will ever appoint a non brahmin by birth (I'm not even specifying any other caste) as it's head priest, if the non brahmin is as versed as a Sri vaishnava ?  Was someone like dollar seshadri preferred to when he was a corrupt chemcha just because he was a brahmin? Be even handed. The caste rivalry among the agrarian communities of Reddies, Kammas and Kapus and even with other castes like BCs and SCs is not rooted in ritual purity, it's rooted in quest for power, control of land but not purity, if you catch my drift.

[MrDexter]

On 8/31/2023 at 12:12 AM, Telugodura456 said:

part 1 of 2

In 60s Telangana  ethno racism used to operate in this way :

a) Calling andhras as "idli sambhar" - equating them with tamils - using slogans like "idli sambhar go back"

b) Pelting stones at passengers in vjw bound buses with slogans "bezawada bus andi netthi meedha dengandi". The word "andi" was seen as andhra yasa and these people used to mock at it. Note during that time there was no telangana yasa in any telugu movies.

c) Abusing them in urdu. Acting like since they know hindi/urdu they are closer to delhi power and andhras must know their place and live like baanchans. Again in 1960s there is no TDP or anything.

d) Only muslims in old city had class and saved many andhras during peak violence by langas. "andhra wale acche log" was their slogan.

Endhuku bro Antha visham kakkuthunnavu? Jaragalsindhi jarigipoindi. Ippatikaina kalisimelisi undalani korukondi. Lanagas ani malli endhuku hatred ni stroke chesthunnavu? 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

 Kammas has their own poojaris and Kamma komatis as well. All that was to oppose the imposition of Brahminism doctrine which brings the concept of ritual purity, not that Kammas hate Brahmins or anyone else. The anti Brahminism in Tamil Nadu was also because of the same ritual purity that was enforced. Even though shaivaite sects existed in Karnataka and Nizam state like lingayat they never believed in ritual purity like that of vaishnavites. Now I'm not bashing Brahmins perse , just pointing out the sequence of events. Anti Brahminism then turned into brahmin bashing and reverse discrimination in the latter years of Justice party that continues to date, but that's a different story. A simple question being will the head priest of the most revered temple in India , say like Tirumala Tirupati devasthanam will ever appoint a non brahmin by birth (I'm not even specifying any other caste) as it's head priest, if the non brahmin is as versed as a Sri vaishnava ?  Was someone like dollar seshadri preferred to when he was a corrupt chemcha just because he was a brahmin? Be even handed. The caste rivalry among the agrarian communities of Reddies, Kammas and Kapus and even with other castes like BCs and SCs is not rooted in ritual purity, it's rooted in quest for power, control of land but not purity, if you catch my drift.

The concept ritual purification is there in every ancient religion starting from Hinduism to Judaism to Islam with Judaism being the strictest of the three monotheistic religions as Orthodox Jews follow 613 commandments. Hinduism being the oldest of all prescribed strict religious practices to Brahmins who are practising Priesthood. The reason it was imposed in any religion is that they're attributing sanctity to the idol(Hinduism, Christianity) or scrolls( as In Judaism) they're worshipping. So, it is expected of them to "maintain" sanctity of the place which is either a Temple, Synagougue or Mecca or Madinah. It is expected of the Brahmins practising as Priests to follow the rituals by other Hindus from different castes. However, with the thousands of Temples across India including many of those folk & tribal gods, it's not always the case to have a Priest who learned Vedas. For example, In AP, Telangana there are "Koya Doralu" who have their own rituals & are Priests themselves one such example being the very famous Samakka-Saarakka temple. 

But if you look into other prominent religions, you could not enter the Jewish Holy of Holies if you were not a Levite (not even all Jews could enter, in fact there were careful gradations of closeness depending on person) — were that Temple still in existence that is. You cannot enter the places in Japanese Shinto shrines were the Kami reside in ritual purity, usually.

"A simple question being will the head priest of the most revered temple in India , say like Tirumala Tirupati devasthanam will ever appoint a non brahmin by birth (I'm not even specifying any other caste) as it's head priest, if the non brahmin is as versed as a Sri vaishnava ?  Was someone like dollar seshadri preferred to when he was a corrupt chemcha just because he was a brahmin?"

This is a very good point. Like I said in my previous post, let us post non-Brahmins irrespective of caste who pursued Vedas as the high Priest of the Tirumala Temple or any other temple for that matter. What about those who are already employed as Priests by the temple? Let's us replace traditional Brahmins with those from Non-Brahmin vedic priests. What are we going to do with the kids pursuing Vedas to which they dedicated their childhood ? Is the government going to provide them reservation in jobs & educational institutions & even reserved-seats like constituencies like for those SC/STs or BCs? If yes, then it's worth giving it a chance & see how well things work. 

However, take Islam for example, they have two most sacred places Mecca which where holy Kabbah is located & in Medinah .

But who can maintain the holy Kabbah which is the most sacred in Islam? The Bani Shaiba
Why?

The Bani Shaiba or the sons of Shaiba are the tribe that hold the keys to the Kaaba today. They are in charge of the 'Sudnah' of the Kaaba which means the complete care of it including opening and closing it, cleaning and washing it, and caring for its Kiswah or cladding.

History: The keys to the Kaaba were bestowed on Tasm, a tribe of ʿĀd before Quraysh. It passed to Khuza'a, then Qusai, who gave it to his son Abdul Dar, who handed it over to his son Othman. It shifted from one person to another until it rested with their nephew Shaiba. It is still inherited by their successors.[citation needed] Muhammad, the Islamic prophet, handed the keys to Bani Shaiba in the year of the conquest of Mecca, and said, "Take it, O Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant".[6] A free standing arch stood where the houses of Banu Shaybah were located near the Kabah until it was removed circa 1950 CE to expand the Mataf area.

Those who demand that non Brahmins be placed in the most sacred Temples as priests, why don't you also ask same for other religions like Islam? Why are the Pasaanda community of Islam who were Dalits Hindus converted into Islam be the Imams of Jama Masjid?or as Imam of Makkah Masjid of Hyderabad?  Why only Bukharis (ancestral origin of Bukhara) are allowed to be the Imams of Jama Masjid? 

Shias can't enter Sunni mosques. Sunnis can't enter Shia mosques. Ahmadis can't enter either!

Ask yourself  @Telugodura456 @CanadianMalodu- Are you well equipped with facts before you train your guns at Brahmins as being the sole perpetrators of all the evils in Hinduism?!
 

 

[Telugodura456]

7 hours ago, MrDexter said:

Endhuku bro Antha visham kakkuthunnavu? Jaragalsindhi jarigipoindi. Ippatikaina kalisimelisi undalani korukondi. Lanagas ani malli endhuku hatred ni stroke chesthunnavu? 

ap-tg kalisanippudu maanesthalo bro. appati dhaka visham evadu kakkao nuvvu endhuku visham kakkle vallani defend chesthaavo alochindhuko.

[Telugodura456]

7 hours ago, MrDexter said:

Endhuku bro Antha visham kakkuthunnavu? Jaragalsindhi jarigipoindi. Ippatikaina kalisimelisi undalani korukondi. Lanagas ani malli endhuku hatred ni stroke chesthunnavu? 

lol @Tryad like this post. "jaragalsindhi jarigipoindhi" - dont talk about it. he never applies it for muslims though. ofcourse the piece of $hit never cares about muslims. it is just about brandishing his fake identity.

 

[Telugodura456]

8 minutes ago, rushmore said:

The concept ritual purification is there in every ancient religion starting from Hinduism to Judaism to Islam with Judaism being the strictest of the three monotheistic religions as Orthodox Jews follow 613 commandments. Hinduism being the oldest of all prescribed strict religious practices to Brahmins who are practising Priesthood. The reason it was imposed in any religion is that they're attributing sanctity to the idol(Hinduism, Christianity) or scrolls( as In Judaism) they're worshipping. So, it is expected of them to "maintain" sanctity of the place which is either a Temple, Synagougue or Mecca or Madinah. It is expected of the Brahmins practising as Priests to follow the rituals by other Hindus from different castes. However, with the thousands of Temples across India including many of those folk & tribal gods, it's not always the case to have a Priest who learned Vedas. For example, In AP, Telangana there are "Koya Doralu" who have their own rituals & are Priests themselves one such example being the very famous Samakka-Saarakka temple. 

But if you look into other prominent religions, you could not enter the Jewish Holy of Holies if you were not a Levite (not even all Jews could enter, in fact there were careful gradations of closeness depending on person) — were that Temple still in existence that is. You cannot enter the places in Japanese Shinto shrines were the Kami reside in ritual purity, usually.

"A simple question being will the head priest of the most revered temple in India , say like Tirumala Tirupati devasthanam will ever appoint a non brahmin by birth (I'm not even specifying any other caste) as it's head priest, if the non brahmin is as versed as a Sri vaishnava ?  Was someone like dollar seshadri preferred to when he was a corrupt chemcha just because he was a brahmin?"

This is a very good point. Like I said in my previous post, let us post non-Brahmins irrespective of caste who pursued Vedas as the high Priest of the Tirumala Temple or any other temple for that matter. What about those who are already employed as Priests by the temple? Let's us replace traditional Brahmins with those from Non-Brahmin vedic priests. What are we going to do with the kids pursuing Vedas to which they dedicated their childhood ? Is the government going to provide them reservation in jobs & educational institutions & even reserved-seats like constituencies like for those SC/STs or BCs? If yes, then it's worth giving it a chance & see how well things work. 

However, take Islam for example, they have two most sacred places Mecca which where holy Kabbah is located & in Medinah .

But who can maintain the holy Kabbah which is the most sacred in Islam? The Bani Shaiba
Why?

The Bani Shaiba or the sons of Shaiba are the tribe that hold the keys to the Kaaba today. They are in charge of the 'Sudnah' of the Kaaba which means the complete care of it including opening and closing it, cleaning and washing it, and caring for its Kiswah or cladding.

History: The keys to the Kaaba were bestowed on Tasm, a tribe of ʿĀd before Quraysh. It passed to Khuza'a, then Qusai, who gave it to his son Abdul Dar, who handed it over to his son Othman. It shifted from one person to another until it rested with their nephew Shaiba. It is still inherited by their successors.[citation needed] Muhammad, the Islamic prophet, handed the keys to Bani Shaiba in the year of the conquest of Mecca, and said, "Take it, O Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant".[6] A free standing arch stood where the houses of Banu Shaybah were located near the Kabah until it was removed circa 1950 CE to expand the Mataf area.

Those who demand that non Brahmins be placed in the most sacred Temples as priests, why don't you also ask same for other religions like Islam? Why are the Pasaanda community of Islam who were Dalits Hindus converted into Islam be the Imams of Jama Masjid?or as Imam of Makkah Masjid of Hyderabad?  Why only Bukharis (ancestral origin of Bukhara) are allowed to be the Imams of Jama Masjid? 

Shias can't enter Sunni mosques. Sunnis can't enter Shia mosques. Ahmadis can't enter either!

Ask yourself  @Telugodura456 @CanadianMalodu- Are you well equipped with facts before you train your guns at Brahmins as being the sole perpetrators of all the evils in Hinduism?!
 

 

"hey look over there - jews,muslims - whatever ..they follow racism in some tiny areas in long past in history. that justifies racism of brahmins now ..hahaha ..i can claim to  win"