Telangana racism in 60s and 2000s

[Tryad]

33 minutes ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

Because it truly doesn't, i have lived in New York. I didn't even know where it's capital was , same way I have never been to sacramento even after residing  in California 

Why should anyone be concerned about a admistrative block. Infact the only feeling I have about them in india is disgust .Delhi is the worst leech on india , it should be nuked out of existence 

 

The entire conversation is silly. People will react to being abused based on their origins. 

Not everyone is a rootless cosmopolitan like you or I. Not is it a desirable way to be rootless.

[Ryzen_renoir]

9 minutes ago, Tryad said:

The entire conversation is silly. People will react to being abused based on their origins. 

Not everyone is a rootless cosmopolitan like you or I. Not is it a desirable way to be rootless.

I mean you identify with anything but to still obsess with something/someone who clearly do not want to be associated with you is just so weird 

Hyderabad will always Belong to Telangana just like vijaywada will always Belong to Krishna-guntur. 

[Tryad]

9 hours ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

Actually they didn't , andhra pradesh has only 18% debt to GDP ratio after its formation. Even in 2014 the fiscal deficit was well average of rest of india.

What devastated andhra pradesh finances were the PRC hike of 44% to match Telangana in 2014 and 27% hike in 2019 

You can't pay the same salaries and pension of a state that has 25% higher per capita income and come out unscathed

 To show you how bad it's effects were , andhra pradesh has paid 69,000 crores on salaries/penions in 2021 and Karnataka , a state with double the revenue and more population paid 73,000 crs 

This argument is wrong.

GDP is immaterial outside of central banks projections for how the economy is doing. The revenue that is generated via a vis the debt is way more important. And future revenue and sources for such revenue. 

Unfortunately Andhra is has no other way than to match TG payscale, given both were on par not long ago. The issue here is that states lost a lot of revenue generating capacity and political leverage in the last 10 years. 

There's no point in saving money to lay infrastructure while people's life standards get lower and have lesser money to spend. 

 

[Tryad]

6 minutes ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

I mean you identify with anything but to still obsess with something/someone who clearly do not want to be associated with you is just so weird 

Hyderabad will always Belong to Telangana just like vijaywada will always Belong to Krishna-guntur. 

That guy is full of himself. 

Hyderabad cannot always belong to Telangana while also being a Cosmopolitan city. It reeks of regionalistic chauvinism while pretending to be fusion of cultures. 

Unfortunately people are put off by class and material analysis and are more comfortable seeking refuge in cultural aggrievement as a way to show their displeasure. Both tg/ap sides are guilty of doing this. 

The actual people of Hyderabad don't care about all this silly posturing, and just want to get by in life. They don't care about the new shiny flyover they can't use, the new metro expansion where they are unwelcome.

It's just bunch of balisina upper caste pakodis trying to claim a city with a long heritage all for themselves.

 

 

 

[Ryzen_renoir]

11 minutes ago, Tryad said:

This argument is wrong.

GDP is immaterial outside of central banks projections for how the economy is doing. The revenue that is generated via a vis the debt is way more important. And future revenue and sources for such revenue. 

Unfortunately Andhra is has no other way than to match TG payscale, given both were on par not long ago. The issue here is that states lost a lot of revenue generating capacity and political leverage in the last 10 years. 

There's no point in saving money to lay infrastructure while people's life standards get lower and have lesser money to spend. 

 

No you got it wrong , government employees only make up 1 to 1.5 % of total population. Spending 60 to 70% of your revenue on them is just stupid.

Spending on welfare is more beneficial to the population , atleast the money stays inside the state

Andhra region never had the revenue generating capacity to begin with even before division. You cannot magically increase that , it's a slow and long term process. They should have lowered spending on govt employees who are elites by every standard 

[Tryad]

1 minute ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

No you got it wrong , government employees only make up 1 to 1.5 % of total population. Spending 60 to 70% of your revenue on them is just stupid.

Spending on welfare is more beneficial to the population , atleast the money stays inside the state

Andhra region never had the revenue generating capacity to begin with even before division. You cannot magically increase that , it's a slow and long term process. They should have lowered spending on govt employees who are elites by every standard 

Unfortunately that's not how political economies work. If you take off benefits that generally accrue to even a tiny powerful population, it will change the political climate of the state. It's probably okay for you as a neoliberal activist, but it's not something that anyone in power would do. It's unrealistic to get xpect them to 

That's why it is correct to say that AP finances took a huge hit after division. it's surprising why such analysis wasn't made  to secure Andhras political economy in the wake of a destructive act like division of AP.

 

[Ryzen_renoir]

28 minutes ago, Tryad said:

Unfortunately that's not how political economies work. If you take off benefits that generally accrue to even a tiny powerful population, it will change the political climate of the state. It's probably okay for you as a neoliberal activist, but it's not something that anyone in power would do. It's unrealistic to get xpect them to 

That's why it is correct to say that AP finances took a huge hit after division. it's surprising why such analysis wasn't made  to secure Andhras political economy in the wake of a destructive act like division of AP.

 

Nah AP deserved a leader like Jayalalithaa who put the state's future before a tiny minority like govt employees. 

Andhra employees do not deserve to be paid more than 20-30% compared to Karnataka or Tamil Nadu even though the former had much lower per capita income 

[YeddiBK]

7 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

It was not andhras who bought that land. KPHB was ap govt land. AP govt on purpose built these houses far away from any people or facilities.

You have no idea how remote KPHB was in 80s - we owned a house there (we never lived) - so i know.

why did govt give land to andhra people ?

yes in 80s it might be totally disconnected form city, I saw KPHB in mid 90s first time and it was still like a stop after leaving Hyd city..

[Tryad]

1 hour ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

Nah AP deserved a leader like Jayalalithaa who put the state's future before a tiny minority like govt employees. 

Andhra employees do not deserve to be paid more than 20-30% compared to Karnataka or Tamil Nadu even though the former had much lower per capita income 

this is like one guy here claiming that KCR loves Telangana people because he cried when Maharashtra opened their dam gatees or some sh1t. lmao. dude, leaders love themselves, and at best their kids. Never the people, or the state's future beyond what is necessary for them to project even more power.

its a question of who you want to hold the power.. The CM or it be spread across a number of organizations/people.

[Tryad]

45 minutes ago, YeddiBK said:

why did govt give land to andhra people ?

yes in 80s it might be totally disconnected form city, I saw KPHB in mid 90s first time and it was still like a stop after leaving Hyd city..

all these discussions happened btwn 2009-14, and its pointless to carry on having the same ones again.

more useful stuff to do in Hyd is to organize to bulldoze those flyovers, call for increasing buses on roads, force metro to issue monthly passes at reasonable rates, get govt to levy heavy fines on street parking of cars etc.. these actually improve the lives of people of Hyd.

but people here get orgasms because there's a new shiny police hqs where they can conduct better surveillance.. why because.. safety duh! safety for themselves while harassment for those who they like to pretend don't live in Hyd.

 

[Ryzen_renoir]

2 hours ago, Tryad said:

this is like one guy here claiming that KCR loves Telangana people because he cried when Maharashtra opened their dam gatees or some sh1t. lmao. dude, leaders love themselves, and at best their kids. Never the people, or the state's future beyond what is necessary for them to project even more power.

its a question of who you want to hold the power.. The CM or it be spread across a number of organizations/people.

I somewhat agree but Jayalalithaa could have given employees whatever they demanded and screwed the poor and finances of the state but she didn't.

Suppose rayalaseema became a separate state , if they won't adjust their salaries/pensions to their income they will be doomed to fail . Even if they get a maverick leadership that is inevitable 

It's not like employees votes matter much in grand context anyway , they are extremely small minority just organised better. 

[ariel]

On 8/30/2023 at 11:16 PM, Android_Halwa said:

Intha jariginda..!! Wow…

So basically Andhras were never welcomes in Telangana anamata…Aina siggu lekunda 2014 varaku etla vunnaru vayya ? Manam maryada siggu lantivi emi leva ? 

antha siggu unnollu ayite combined AP income hyd ni etla dobbi tintunru vayya siggu maryada leva?

[Ryzen_renoir]

2 hours ago, ariel said:

antha siggu unnollu ayite combined AP income hyd ni etla dobbi tintunru vayya siggu maryada leva?

Combined AP income is a myth , Hyderabad belongs to Telangana just like amaravathi belongs to Krishna-guntur 

If AP is divided again in the future not a single Paisa invested in amaravathi will belong to people outside krishna-guntur. 

[Telugodura456]

12 hours ago, Tryad said:

Halwa knows that he's an asshole, and you lack even the tiniest bit of self awareness, congratulating yourself as being reasonable and decent, inspite of the disgusting bs spew here.

No one who reads your crap would believe that you consider Telangana people as warm, and that you genuinely like them. You seem more in rage against those that captured power and are taunting you now than in any way show how much you love the people of Telangana. In fact you claiming that is as laughable as Halwa claiming that he loves Andhra people and only hates pulkas. Both of you are hate mongers. 

 

I dont know whom are you projecting on to me. "no one beleives" ??? i dont lie, i dont bluff. To be fair even @Android_Halwa is upfront in hate. He says he hates andhra and for some mysterious reason he is proud of being a hatemonger and all you trash including the POS @Ryzen_renoir are supportive.

 And i am say i dont have any hate for telangana people and i dont see any reason for division. It is pathetic you argue with me based on assumption i lie and halwa is telling truth. It is nothing but your coping mechanism.

[Tryad]

6 hours ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

I somewhat agree but Jayalalithaa could have given employees whatever they demanded and screwed the poor and finances of the state but she didn't.

Suppose rayalaseema became a separate state , if they won't adjust their salaries/pensions to their income they will be doomed to fail . Even if they get a maverick leadership that is inevitable 

It's not like employees votes matter much in grand context anyway , they are extremely small minority just organised better. 

jayalalitha should've negotiated a settlement which is what elected leaders are supposed to do. Not act like dictators.

if govt adjusts salaries/pensions relative to income, it'll further depress its local economy. The job of the state is attempt to increase its revenue, not to penny pinch.

you talk like an US republican politician, but if history has taught anyone anything, it is that the US repulicans have zero clue about the economy, and their ideas on how budgets must be balanced is a failed model.