Jagan will win next elections - POLL

[KrishnaDevaRaya]

appudu kuda  kula pichhi gallu antha ma jagan antu bichamethukuntu anandha padatharu. jai jagan

[MrDexter]

1 minute ago, KrishnaDevaRaya said:

malli ravali jagan ap antha sanka naki povali  jai jagan

Jai Jagan!!!

 

[Variety_Pullayya]

i want jagan to wiin. ppl deserve it

[venky7]

17 minutes ago, Variety_Pullayya said:

i want jagan to wiin. ppl deserve it

[CanadianMalodu]

5 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

DWCRA implementation in AP was way ahead of any other state. This is for sure.

English lingua franca is a very weak argument. Remember Kancha Illiah ? he wrote many books in simple and easy to read english like "Why  i am not a hindu" - no one cared. He wrote one telugu book titled "komatlu samajika dongalu" or something like that - all hell broke loose. That shows power of mother tongue even though i may or may not agree with kancha. 

By giving up on telugu we are giving up on actual social change - that we can as a society - directly control. And putting it in foreign hands.

Regarding jobs - solution is simple and brilliant - Amaravati. 

Remittance build wealth but this is not sustainable. Right now - wealth is leaving Ap and tg to america - in the form of student fees, living costs and loss of tax income as workers move.  While peopel are not sending money back.

I don't dispute the impact of mother tongue, all I'm trying to say is English is the language of business in the current world order, heck even in India. We have it as an official language. We use it  in government and private sector alike. Have we not already surrendered to foreign interests already then? We fancy western dresses, we fancy a corporate job at a multi national preferably US company. Girls fancy NRI grooms. The queues outside the US embassy for F visas. What's all that then?

Circa 2011, I dropped my friend for a F visa interview and he cleared it, During that time I still vividly remember, I was smoking a cigarette and trying to kill time, when the consulate opened the gates, aspirants started running in big numbers towards the queue line (These are graduates btw). A while later those that came out with an approved visa, were all smiling and jubilant and those that didn't get one, were crying as if that's the end of the world. These numbers continued to swell with time. If this is not cultural subordination, I don't know what it is. Not sure, what social change you're referring to.

 

Wrt. Amaravathi, all the major cities in the world including capitals, started off as trading posts with access to a water route preferably a port and this applies to India as well. Only exceptions are Hyderabad and Delhi, both inland cities built on the taxes and brutality inflicted on poor peasantry mostly Hindus during the islamic rule.  Why did I say this? To build a capital or a major city from ground up you need significant investment. Do you think Baboru, can afford such grandeur in a short span of time?. Even if he does, how would he get the money for rest of  the state activities? Even then how would Amaravathi attract investment over established and favourable destinations such as Hyderabad or Bengaluru ? Unfortunately, Andhra as a cash stripped state, can't spend money lavishly on a marvel designs that does suit it's needs. Jagan's proposal of using Vishakapatnam  is a more practical one. This one, Baboru fell into the real estate trap of financiers, when he had a chance to use Hyderabad to fuller extent and have planned things better in the interim. Of course, KCR made him run, that's another story.

Money is leaving AP and TG in one way sure, but we're still net positive when returns accounted in the form of  remittances. India receives over $100 billion USD in remittances, and US is ranked #1 in that list. Sure, students take loans and go to US, just to pay it with interest they keep sending it back. Then when employed, they keep purchasing real estate. Tens of thousands of them make substantial investments in India. Few hundreds to thousands keep properties in USA and intend to stay there, but still the numbers are titled towards India. What government looses in terms of income tax, it gains in the registration taxes as real estate is pushing up as a consequence of remittance money. What more, government doesn't bear expense of NRIs medical or otherwise. Anyways, I don't want to sound argumentative, but I respect your thoughts.

[Anta Assamey]

Tie breaker votes veyandi.... 67 each vachayi...

[Telugodura456]

2 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

I don't dispute the impact of mother tongue, all I'm trying to say is English is the language of business in the current world order, heck even in India. We have it as an official language. We use it  in government and private sector alike. Have we not already surrendered to foreign interests already then? We fancy western dresses, we fancy a corporate job at a multi national preferably US company. Girls fancy NRI grooms. The queues outside the US embassy for F visas. What's all that then?

Circa 2011, I dropped my friend for a F visa interview and he cleared it, During that time I still vividly remember, I was smoking a cigarette and trying to kill time, when the consulate opened the gates, aspirants started running in big numbers towards the queue line (These are graduates btw). A while later those that came out with an approved visa, were all smiling and jubilant and those that didn't get one, were crying as if that's the end of the world. These numbers continued to swell with time. If this is not cultural subordination, I don't know what it is. Not sure, what social change you're referring to.

 

Wrt. Amaravathi, all the major cities in the world including capitals, started off as trading posts with access to a water route preferably a port and this applies to India as well. Only exceptions are Hyderabad and Delhi, both inland cities built on the taxes and brutality inflicted on poor peasantry mostly Hindus during the islamic rule.  Why did I say this? To build a capital or a major city from ground up you need significant investment. Do you think Baboru, can afford such grandeur in a short span of time?. Even if he does, how would he get the money for rest of  the state activities? Even then how would Amaravathi attract investment over established and favourable destinations such as Hyderabad or Bengaluru ? Unfortunately, Andhra as a cash stripped state, can't spend money lavishly on a marvel designs that does suit it's needs. Jagan's proposal of using Vishakapatnam  is a more practical one. This one, Baboru fell into the real estate trap of financiers, when he had a chance to use Hyderabad to fuller extent and have planned things better in the interim. Of course, KCR made him run, that's another story.

Money is leaving AP and TG in one way sure, but we're still net positive when returns accounted in the form of  remittances. India receives over $100 billion USD in remittances, and US is ranked #1 in that list. Sure, students take loans and go to US, just to pay it with interest they keep sending it back. Then when employed, they keep purchasing real estate. Tens of thousands of them make substantial investments in India. Few hundreds to thousands keep properties in USA and intend to stay there, but still the numbers are titled towards India. What government looses in terms of income tax, it gains in the registration taxes as real estate is pushing up as a consequence of remittance money. What more, government doesn't bear expense of NRIs medical or otherwise. Anyways, I don't want to sound argumentative, but I respect your thoughts.

US can stop student visas anytime. Even those who get visas there is a bottleneck at h1b with annual 80k limit.  Even when you cross that bottleneck there is a country quota bottleneck at gc. If someone like trump is elected he can tighten all these. This is an oppurtunity window for which people like CBN made it available. seeing it is as permanent avenue is not a right thing to do.

I never said English should not be learnt. It obviously must. But making it english medium is overkill. Here in usa - there is barely any difference in outcomes between telugu medium and english medium education. In fact in one thread i commented where i said i have seen more participation in cultural activities by people from remote andhra region than hyderabad,

Amaravati - again you are talking as if time froze. And city can only begin 1000 years back as trading post or no city. These are just arguments with no strength. Investment is not an issue - the world is flush with funds what it lacks is proper investment opportunities. How was hi tech city developed ? most investment came from aborad. IN amaravati - Land was donated as land pool. some basic road, drainage is enough for investors to pour in. India lacks a proper planned city. it will be a huge USP.

 

[CanadianMalodu]

9 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

US can stop student visas anytime. Even those who get visas there is a bottleneck at h1b with annual 80k limit.  Even when you cross that bottleneck there is a country quota bottleneck at gc. If someone like trump is elected he can tighten all these. This is an oppurtunity window for which people like CBN made it available. seeing it is as permanent avenue is not a right thing to do.

I never said English should not be learnt. It obviously must. But making it english medium is overkill. Here in usa - there is barely any difference in outcomes between telugu medium and english medium education. In fact in one thread i commented where i said i have seen more participation in cultural activities by people from remote andhra region than hyderabad,

Amaravati - again you are talking as if time froze. And city can only begin 1000 years back as trading post or no city. These are just arguments with no strength. Investment is not an issue - the world is flush with funds what it lacks is proper investment opportunities. How was hi tech city developed ? most investment came from aborad. IN amaravati - Land was donated as land pool. some basic road, drainage is enough for investors to pour in. India lacks a proper planned city. it will be a huge USP.

 

#1 US doesn't do that. Even with Donald Trump there will be more scrutiny, but no outright ban. US is getting $ inflow into their country, and those that work pay tax $ and those that work illegally provide even more cheap labour , more profit for American enterprise. Also, aliens from India who come to US on a visa are by and large more obedient to authority which translates to less legal problems, compared to other ethnicities. The modern new old order of which globalization is a part of  is being run by Zionist elites , where countries are treated akin to corporate entities, who act as vendors in terms of bodies or labour of their citizens, and engage in material extraction, goods production or services. China took the manufacturing role and India took the service sector role in this mode of delivery. The central bankers (FED/BOC/BOE/European Central Bank) that work with them made monopoly of gold and keeps printing $, which again is backed by US military (NATO), Oil and ability to sanction any country at will.  So long as we keep $ tied to our transactions rupee will always stay weaker and our sweat and blood is cheaper to sell. This will continue to stay, even if we get out of US $ orbit , because the sheer size of economy that US has (the debt always be cancelled, don't need to worry about that) and the amount of gold that Fed holds.

#2 I'm not denying that wrt. Telugu medium education. Unless there is an inherent quest for all telugus to look more inwards, the domination of English and obsession with countries like US will stay. Jagan merely encashed that.

#3 I'm not talking as if time froze. Do you have any precedence of such cities across the world, which were built from ground up  say in last 50 years ? The time you were referring to when Hyderabad starting picking up investment is very different from now. Also, big cities work on economies of scale, meaning there needs to be a critical mass of population and will get build from there. Vizag has a leverage over Amaravathi here. Not that I'm against Amaravathi, this applies to any such cities being newly built. We don't have another Bengaluru in Karnataka, Mysuru didn't reach the level of Bengaluru. The same can be said for the likes of Coimbatore, Pune.  To get to the next level requires more resources which state has to allocate to bring more people there and more concessions to industries.  Why do you want to do that to Amaravathi, when Andhra has Vizag which is already built to a certain level. An analogy would be(I'm not an IT or Software guy, but as most of you on these forum are), wouldn't it be easy to use an existing source code as a template which is easily customizable and built on it , rather than writing a new one from scratch? Sure, time is not an issue, but we' re talking of our life time to see returns , baboru is already over 70, can he see to that Amaravathi gets built ? 

[Telugodura456]

2 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 US doesn't do that. Even with Donald Trump there will be more scrutiny, but no outright ban. US is getting $ inflow into their country, and those that work pay tax $ and those that work illegally provide even more cheap labour , more profit for American enterprise. Also, aliens from India who come to US on a visa are by and large more obedient to authority which translates to less legal problems, compared to other ethnicities. The modern new old order of which globalization is a part of  is being run by Zionist elites , where countries are treated akin to corporate entities, who act as vendors in terms of bodies or labour of their citizens, and engage in material extraction, goods production or services. China took the manufacturing role and India took the service sector role in this mode of delivery. The central bankers (FED/BOC/BOE/European Central Bank) that work with them made monopoly of gold and keeps printing $, which again is backed by US military (NATO), Oil and ability to sanction any country at will.  So long as we keep $ tied to our transactions rupee will always stay weaker and our sweat and blood is cheaper to sell. This will continue to stay, even if we get out of US $ orbit , because the sheer size of economy that US has (the debt always be cancelled, don't need to worry about that) and the amount of gold that Fed holds.

#2 I'm not denying that wrt. Telugu medium education. Unless there is an inherent quest for all telugus to look more inwards, the domination of English and obsession with countries like US will stay. Jagan merely encashed that.

#3 I'm not talking as if time froze. Do you have any precedence of such cities across the world, which were built from ground up  say in last 50 years ? The time you were referring to when Hyderabad starting picking up investment is very different from now. Also, big cities work on economies of scale, meaning there needs to be a critical mass of population and will get build from there. Vizag has a leverage over Amaravathi here. Not that I'm against Amaravathi, this applies to any such cities being newly built. We don't have another Bengaluru in Karnataka, Mysuru didn't reach the level of Bengaluru. The same can be said for the likes of Coimbatore, Pune.  To get to the next level requires more resources which state has to allocate to bring more people there and more concessions to industries.  Why do you want to do that to Amaravathi, when Andhra has Vizag which is already built to a certain level. An analogy would be(I'm not an IT or Software guy, but as most of you on these forum are), wouldn't it be easy to use an existing source code as a template which is easily customizable and built on it , rather than writing a new one from scratch? Sure, time is not an issue, but we' re talking of our life time to see returns , baboru is already over 70, can he see to that Amaravathi gets built ? 

#1 - whatever you may believe - it is basically keeping yourself at mercy of another country's immigration policy.  As an individual you can take the chance but govt of AP is not expected to. It is their job to provide jobs not to train students for another country or state.

#2 - yes jagan seeing everything in terms of elections is a problem. Ap govt is expected to fight for Telugu. not surrender because it is more lucrative electionwise.

#3 - plenty such as chandigarh, shenzhen, pudong - infact most asian cities really grew post 50s. I grew up in hyd and have seen how hi tech city grew up - iti s really a completely new city - all started in early 2000s.

 

[VAAMPlRE]

14 hours ago, Anta Assamey said:

Tie breaker votes veyandi.... 67 each vachayi...

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