'Hindus Leave Canada Or...': Khalistan Terrorist Pannun's Open Threat; Will Trudeau Arrest Him?

[venky7]

52 minutes ago, rushmore said:

Telangaana agitation was there since decades & this latest one was because of TDP & Andhra politicians who stole Telanagaana's wealth left & right. Insulting our "Bhaasha" & "Yaasa", people protested rightfully to get their rightful demand! 

telangana ki cheyalsinavi cheyaledu ante correct ga untadi notoki vachinattu vaagaku ra paytm bastardd

regions backward unte pattinchukoledu ani correct. 

[CanadianMalodu]

45 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

what similairity LOL. you can argue but dont be dishonest. Almost entire social life of telugu NRIs revolved within Telugu community - same with gujrat and same with tamils. Does the same principle apply to say germans ? You can see more germans socialize with french than gujrati with a tamil.

All  languages borrow from same script aithe ? all european languages have same script so they all are same nation ? infact most europeans or east asians are far more similiar than indians - try telling them they are the same nation.

I'm not dishonest. What you're citing is a more a matter of convenience and comfort zone. Did you mean to say that Telugu NRIs don't have social interactions with NRIs of other states ? I had interactions with Tamils, Malayalis , Maharastrians, Gujaratis and punjabis during my stay in UK, Canada and USA. Most of the Telugu folk are direct H1s from India and have their family with them and they prefer interacting with their own kind. I have seen others who married across different states, and are doing well. 

Even then, should you pluck these transplants again and place them in say rural Arkansas or Alaska a guajarati and a Telugu will find something common, more so than with say a White American or a native Indians.

Isn't EU more like a nation already ? Don't they call them themselves Europeans?  

[CanadianMalodu]

8 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

If indian govt becomes more federal and gives powers to states - every state will be happy. And demands will reduce. but delhi does not have the confidence - it never trusts the people it claims to legitimately represent.

Then you can always vote against it. The problem in one way is Indian constitution accords disproportionate power to centre over state in the matters of administration. Ours is a quasi federal structure, unlike united states. If you were to fight against that, the movement should be for constitutional amendments than for a secession.

[Tryad]

1 minute ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Then you can always vote against it. The problem in one way is Indian constitution accords disproportionate power to centre over state in the matters of administration. Ours is a quasi federal structure, unlike united states. If you were to fight against that, the movement should be for constitutional amendments than for a secession.

I think anyone who wants to fight for their rights shouldn't listen to folks like you, who base their politics on 'might is right'.

if its up to you, you'd let people fight for scraps while you sip on wine. and brag about it.

[CanadianMalodu]

1 hour ago, rushmore said:

Those who oppose Telangaana division are Pulkas because they thought they had financial leverage in Hyderbad. Then they thought of buliding a caste capital in Amarvati but Jagan shred their plans into pieces. If they lose 2024, they will lose their political identity & be lost into irrelevance & launch a "Kulasthaani" movement in the US or other foriegn countries hating India & Hindus.

Most of the Kammas are Hindus as far I'm aware.  There are hethuvaadis, and nasthik Kammas, Buddhists and christian converted Kammas but their numbers don't represent a majority.Those that back TDP want to see their leader in power, but are not against India or Hinduism. 

Telagana agitation had a history, but the statehood was created irrationally where assets are not distributed even though enterprise and state resources were pooled in  Hyderabad. Dora and his men swapped water can with a petrol can and plotted the murder of Srikanthachari to stroke more public outrage. He gave a recorded statement at the time of his death. Did Dora not loot Telangana? By any standard he looted it a lot more than all the Andhra politicians that ruled united Andhra Pradesh. 

 

 

[CanadianMalodu]

23 minutes ago, Tryad said:

I think anyone who wants to fight for their rights shouldn't listen to folks like you, who base their politics on 'might is right'.

if its up to you, you'd let people fight for scraps while you sip on wine. and brag about it.

I gave them a proposition. Fighting for more constitutional powers will likely yield results and gain a wider audience and acceptance rather than fighting for an outright secession. History has proven it already. All secession  movements in India post independence faltered, so the traction will be short lived. 

[Tryad]

Just now, CanadianMalodu said:

I gave them a proposition. Fighting for more constitutional powers will likely yield results and gain a wider audience and acceptance rather than fighting for an outright secession. History has proven it already. All secession  movements in India post independence faltered, so the traction will be short lived.

still asking you for advice on this is like asking the wolf to guard one's chickens. you are a blind nationalist. the one that reasonable people should steer clear of.

before you bring George Soros into the conversation

[CanadianMalodu]

11 minutes ago, Tryad said:

still asking you for advice on this is like asking the wolf to guard one's chickens. you are a blind nationalist. the one that reasonable people should steer clear of.

before you bring George Soros into the conversation

Blind ? I'm probably more pragmatic. Why fight a lost war? It doesn't help the cause. Reasonable people are those that can be reasoned with. George Soros is a globalist threat not just to India but also to nations like US and Canada. The more he is involved you will see more death and destruction.

[Telugodura456]

3 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

I'm not dishonest. What you're citing is a more a matter of convenience and comfort zone. Did you mean to say that Telugu NRIs don't have social interactions with NRIs of other states ? I had interactions with Tamils, Malayalis , Maharastrians, Gujaratis and punjabis during my stay in UK, Canada and USA. Most of the Telugu folk are direct H1s from India and have their family with them and they prefer interacting with their own kind. I have seen others who married across different states, and are doing well. 

Even then, should you pluck these transplants again and place them in say rural Arkansas or Alaska a guajarati and a Telugu will find something common, more so than with say a White American or a native Indians.

Isn't EU more like a nation already ? Don't they call them themselves Europeans?  

Bro - as a rule telugu people dont marry with guratis or tamil people. And it is nothing to do with convenience - a telugu neighbour maybe more convenient for gujrati but he is more likely to have better social relationship with a gujrati at some distance. It is just commonsense. Gurjatis and telugus form a nation.

Through out the world - nations are formed on basis of languages with exceptions here and there. And a nation means a people with things in common . When nations become suffiienctly large to afford a bureacracy and a military they become states.

India is NO WAY a nation - what is common between a himachali and a tamilian. IN usa whether you are in alaska or florida you celebrate the same thanksgiving to christmas, a cheap eat is a burger and an expensive dish is steak. You can instantly bond and freely intermarry.

[Telugodura456]

3 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Then you can always vote against it. The problem in one way is Indian constitution accords disproportionate power to centre over state in the matters of administration. Ours is a quasi federal structure, unlike united states. If you were to fight against that, the movement should be for constitutional amendments than for a secession.

And what if they dont agree ? secession is a fundamental right. A people have a fundamental right to make their own destiny.

[Pahelwan2]

11 hours ago, JANASENA said:

 

Mundu ee pannu gadini lepeyali appudu untadi mazaaa. Trudeau gadu athulu kuda pikaledu. 

[CanadianMalodu]

11 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Bro - as a rule telugu people dont marry with guratis or tamil people. And it is nothing to do with convenience - a telugu neighbour maybe more convenient for gujrati but he is more likely to have better social relationship with a gujrati at some distance. It is just commonsense. Gurjatis and telugus form a nation.

Through out the world - nations are formed on basis of languages with exceptions here and there. And a nation means a people with things in common . When nations become suffiienctly large to afford a bureacracy and a military they become states.

India is NO WAY a nation - what is common between a himachali and a tamilian. IN usa whether you are in alaska or florida you celebrate the same thanksgiving to christmas, a cheap eat is a burger and an expensive dish is steak. You can instantly bond and freely intermarry.

There is no such rule that Telugu people shouldn't marry with Tamils or Gujaratis. It's mostly a social and cultural practice to marry within ones own community.  People intermarry out of choice. Those in movies intermarry. Politicians intermarry. Sports people intermarry. Telugus also intermarry. I personally know Telugus across many castes who intermarried across states (some got married to Northies and some to Tamils and one to even a Malayali). These are just in India. 

A nation doesn't require size to build bureaucracy and military it will build one based on it's needs. So every country regardless of size will have bureaucracy and military (unless they have some larger powers to protect them). 

A himachali Hindu and Hindu tamilian will have atleast some ritual practices and deities in common(e.g. Shiva or Vishnu).  The reason I took out Hindus specifically is because, it's only this religion that exists as a common thread to bind the country. 

Monotheistic Abrahamic faiths of Islam and Christianity by and large have same practices pertaining to religion across the world but always have relied on conquest of disagreeing faiths, yet were not able to form a single country. But, Hinduism was able to do that and is pivotal in holding India together as a single piece. Given a choice, most Hindus would like to be a part of Hindu country regardless of regional conflicts. 

You cited USA, but you conveniently forgot that native Indian population was mostly wiped out during manifest destiny period, so did their languages. Even with in the European population, French, Dutch were pivotal in building some of the cities in US, but eventually they were wiped out. Texas used to be Mexican territory before US took it over and English dominated over Spanish as a consequence. So, it's English that decimated other languages, not that there are no other languages. To compare a settler colony that eventually forged into a nation with a colonized civilization isn't perhaps not a right thing to do.Even if you did, shouldn't you appreciate the fact that multitude of languages still managed to survive in India?

 

[CanadianMalodu]

11 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

And what if they dont agree ? secession is a fundamental right. A people have a fundamental right to make their own destiny.

Sure you can try. The outcomes will weigh more against a new country in a case of an inadvertent creation. Think for while, you want a separate country for Khalistan, do you realize the challenges they got to deal with? How do you think a land locked state like punjab survive as a country?  Don't you think movement for goods will be more complicated ? They will need to pay royalties for rest of union of India, to allow the  passage of goods. Does punjab have the resources to survive as a country ? How about raw materials like mineral wealth, and infrastructure? What currency do they get to keep and how strong can that be relative to Indian rupee ? How exactly does punjab attract investments compared to India ? If big countries like US and China can bully India, what chance does a small inland nation like Khalistan stand?  to resolve these problems if Punjab were to form a EU  type fo relationship, then isn't it already better to be in India and enjoy the free movement of goods and people and have access to a large market. 

[Telugodura456]

9 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Sure you can try. The outcomes will weigh more against a new country in a case of an inadvertent creation. Think for while, you want a separate country for Khalistan, do you realize the challenges they got to deal with? How do you think a land locked state like punjab survive as a country?  Don't you think movement for goods will be more complicated ? They will need to pay royalties for rest of union of India, to allow the  passage of goods. Does punjab have the resources to survive as a country ? How about raw materials like mineral wealth, and infrastructure? What currency do they get to keep and how strong can that be relative to Indian rupee ? How exactly does punjab attract investments compared to India ? If big countries like US and China can bully India, what chance does a small inland nation like Khalistan stand?  to resolve these problems if Punjab were to form a EU  type fo relationship, then isn't it already better to be in India and enjoy the free movement of goods and people and have access to a large market. 

I dont understand what is the attraction of india for you. Iti s a third world country which ranks bottom in most indices of the world. So what really is an advantage in india?. In addiiton india is always attacking your culture - trying to repalce it with hindi. Taking your taxes and spending it in blackholes of up/bihar.

why are you so emotional - i dont understand. Most people know this indivudally so they try to get out.

[Telugodura456]

16 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

There is no such rule that Telugu people shouldn't marry with Tamils or Gujaratis. It's mostly a social and cultural practice to marry within ones own community.  People intermarry out of choice. Those in movies intermarry. Politicians intermarry. Sports people intermarry. Telugus also intermarry. I personally know Telugus across many castes who intermarried across states (some got married to Northies and some to Tamils and one to even a Malayali). These are just in India. 

A nation doesn't require size to build bureaucracy and military it will build one based on it's needs. So every country regardless of size will have bureaucracy and military (unless they have some larger powers to protect them). 

A himachali Hindu and Hindu tamilian will have atleast some ritual practices and deities in common(e.g. Shiva or Vishnu).  The reason I took out Hindus specifically is because, it's only this religion that exists as a common thread to bind the country. 

Monotheistic Abrahamic faiths of Islam and Christianity by and large have same practices pertaining to religion across the world but always have relied on conquest of disagreeing faiths, yet were not able to form a single country. But, Hinduism was able to do that and is pivotal in holding India together as a single piece. Given a choice, most Hindus would like to be a part of Hindu country regardless of regional conflicts. 

You cited USA, but you conveniently forgot that native Indian population was mostly wiped out during manifest destiny period, so did their languages. Even with in the European population, French, Dutch were pivotal in building some of the cities in US, but eventually they were wiped out. Texas used to be Mexican territory before US took it over and English dominated over Spanish as a consequence. So, it's English that decimated other languages, not that there are no other languages. To compare a settler colony that eventually forged into a nation with a colonized civilization isn't perhaps not a right thing to do.Even if you did, shouldn't you appreciate the fact that multitude of languages still managed to survive in India?

 

You are too emotional and confusing lot of things. I am not proposing telugu people dont interact with others, or saying that they SHOULD NOT. I am just saying the way it is. In most of the world language is your nation.

I remember you once shouting at @Tryad that he does not seek  a material basis. You are doing same mistake. A nation is not some emotion or paper - there must be a material basis in SHARED (Meaningfully SHARED ) customs between each other.

It is fine if you beleive in universal humanity and no nationalism. But it is ridiculous to hype up non-existing nationaal basis of india as "strong nation state" but undermine the material basis of nation in telugus, gujratis etc.