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[CanadianMalodu]

2 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

I dont understand what is the attraction of india for you. Iti s a third world country which ranks bottom in most indices of the world. So what really is an advantage in india?. In addiiton india is always attacking your culture - trying to repalce it with hindi. Taking your taxes and spending it in blackholes of up/bihar.

why are you so emotional - i dont understand. Most people know this indivudally so they try to get out.

My perspective is more pragmatic. Splitting from India will make smaller countries that are carved out of it irrelevant diplomatically, politically, financially and even culturally. The resources are limited for them to build and grow, unlike European nations which build their wealth based on loot from Africa and Asia.  Smaller nations can be trampled on by heavy weights like US and China and cane be sanctioned at will, which will choke such nations. India can survive on its own even if it were to have isolationist outlook. It has ability to bear the burnt of any sanctions and stay on its feet. Smaller nations that you wanted to carve out of it will not stand a chance.  Fight the fight in India one has more to gain that way, than separating from it 

[Telugodura456]

2 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

My perspective is more pragmatic. Splitting from India will make smaller countries that are carved out of it irrelevant diplomatically, politically, financially and even culturally. The resources are limited for them to build and grow, unlike European nations which build their wealth based on loot from Africa and Asia.  Smaller nations can be trampled on by heavy weights like US and China and cane be sanctioned at will, which will choke such nations. India can survive on its own even if it were to have isolationist outlook. It has ability to bear the burnt of any sanctions and stay on its feet. Smaller nations that you wanted to carve out of it will not stand a chance.  Fight the fight in India one has more to gain that way, than separating from it 

Most of these countries will form some sort of EU like arrangement anyway.

I am still not sure where you are getting this hopeful attitude for india. It failed even to  take its neighboring countris in to SAARC. it is poorer than almost any country in the world other than maybe a dozen.

What smaller nations trampled ? you mean like singapore or south korea or even kuwait ? the only trampling done on indians is govt of india.

[Telugodura456]

On 9/20/2023 at 4:02 PM, CanadianMalodu said:

Most of the Kammas are Hindus as far I'm aware.  There are hethuvaadis, and nasthik Kammas, Buddhists and christian converted Kammas but their numbers don't represent a majority.Those that back TDP want to see their leader in power, but are not against India or Hinduism. 

Telagana agitation had a history, but the statehood was created irrationally where assets are not distributed even though enterprise and state resources were pooled in  Hyderabad. Dora and his men swapped water can with a petrol can and plotted the murder of Srikanthachari to stroke more public outrage. He gave a recorded statement at the time of his death. Did Dora not loot Telangana? By any standard he looted it a lot more than all the Andhra politicians that ruled united Andhra Pradesh. 

 

 

People like @rushmore or @Tryad - they dont have the concept of individual. Just because i mildly support tdp and also take ciriticla attitude on india, hinduism etc - they made me a kamma and their spokesperson. ridiculous.

[CanadianMalodu]

13 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

You are too emotional and confusing lot of things. I am not proposing telugu people dont interact with others, or saying that they SHOULD NOT. I am just saying the way it is. In most of the world language is your nation.

I remember you once shouting at @Tryad that he does not seek  a material basis. You are doing same mistake. A nation is not some emotion or paper - there must be a material basis in SHARED (Meaningfully SHARED ) customs between each other.

It is fine if you believe in universal humanity and no nationalism. But it is ridiculous to hype up non-existing nationaal basis of india as "strong nation state" but undermine the material basis of nation in telugus, gujratis etc.

I never undermined material basis of existence. We never should too. The national basis is religion of Hinduism, it's as simple as that. India would have never stayed as a same country had it been an islamic state or a Christian country. The infighting would be so horrendous and would have ended only with way more death and destruction just like partition. 

I get your point about South sharing more revenue with the Northies. That's true. Sure I'm all for fighting for what's more due for South states from centre. But that alone shouldn't be basis for secession. Wrt. North, there is lot more mineral wealth in North and lot more human resources that propel advancement of south. When was the last time you looked at construction site in Hyderabad or Bangalore ? Who do you think were toiling day and night building those high raises ?  You think Andhrites are doing that? Most of that labour comes from Bihar and UP. South Indian businessmen are doing pan Indian business. Business houses like GMR, TVS , Apollo hospitals do business pan India. Most of our medicines that you buy in India are manufactured in Baddi, Himachal Pradesh. Our own movie stars and production houses are doing pan Indian business. The size of India in a single country provides barrier free access to one of the largest markets a paradigm which EU is replicating. The northern states cushion southern states interms of geographical security.  I can keep going. I used to be secessionist in late teens and early twenties. I changed a lot from late twenties to now early thirties. May be you will learn more too.

[Telugodura456]

Just now, CanadianMalodu said:

I never undermined material basis of existence. We never should. The national basis is religion of Hinduism, it's as simple as that. India would have never stayed as a same country has it been an islamic state or Christian country. The infighting would be so horrendous and would have ended only with way more death and destruction just like partition. 

I get your point about South sharing more revenue to the Northies. That's true. Sure I'm all for fighting for what's more due for South states from centre. But that alone shouldn't be basis for secession. Wrt. North, there is lot more mineral wealth in North and lot more human resources that propel advancement of south. When was the last time you looked at construction site in Hyderabad or Bangalore ? Who do you think were toiling day and night building those high raises ?  You think Andhrites are doing that? Most of that labour comes from Bihar and UP. South Indian businessmen were doing pan Indian business. Business houses like GMR, TVS , Apollo hospitals do business pan India. Most of our medicines that you buy in India are manufactured in Baddi, Himachal Pradesh. Our own movie starts and production houses are doing pan Indian business. The size of India in a single country provides barrier free access to one of largest markets which EU is replicating. The northern states cushion southern states interms of geographical security.  I can keep going. I used to be secessionist in late teens and early twenties. I changed a lot from late twenties to now early thirties. May be you will learn more too.

Material basis of nation not existence. Man - you bought sanghi line of thinking hook line and sinker. I dont blame you - most indians are like that.

Most muslim and christian countries have done far better btw. India staying united is not as important as people leading better lives.

Even if india splits - why would they stop trading ? your assumptions are meaningless. Infact india is the biggest impediment to trade with its export duties, tariffs etc. It deliberately did not join RCEP to support its adanis and ambanis. The worlds largest manufacturing region is right next door but india shut the best access to their goods to indian people.

This especially effects south indians as they are the ones who make the foreign exchange.

[CanadianMalodu]

16 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

Material basis of nation not existence. Man - you bought sanghi line of thinking hook line and sinker. I dont blame you - most indians are like that.

Most muslim and christian countries have done far better btw. India staying united is not as important as people leading better lives.

Even if india splits - why would they stop trading ? your assumptions are meaningless. Infact india is the biggest impediment to trade with its export duties, tariffs etc. It deliberately did not join RCEP to support its adanis and ambanis. The worlds largest manufacturing region is right next door but india shut the best access to their goods to indian people.

This especially effects south indians as they are the ones who make the foreign exchange.

I will leave the Sanghi part aside to focus on the core of the conversation.

#1 which Christian and Islamic countries are you referring to ? Are they the ones that endured colonization like India? How about Pakistan an islamic state? Why don't you talk of Nigeria, Ghana , Zimbabwe, Sudan, Somalia? Are these faiths not practiced there ? Ghana has over 70% of christians. Nigeria goes as a split between Christians and Muslims.

#2 They wouldn't stop trading. The trading becomes more ineffective. If you're to use Indian territory for an inland country or that borders India  for movement of goods, you then need to pay India. If you were to export your goods to India then India imposes duties on your products. Your labour and manufacturing pool becomes way to small to compete with larger Indian manufacturing base. This is what we call economics of scale.Manufacturing self reliance is of utmost importance for any country. This is what you call economies sof scale. Relying on China , will only make you dependent on them and make you vulnerable to any of their whims and fancies which will be India's Achilles heel.

#3 What foreign exchange are you referring to ? Is it the money flowing into India by the IT BPO giants ? Or Remittance ?

[Telugodura456]

21 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

I will leave the Sanghi part aside to focus on the core of the conversation.

#1 which Christian and Islamic countries are you referring to ? Are they the ones that endured colonization like India? How about Pakistan an islamic state? Why don't you talk of Nigeria, Ghana , Zimbabwe, Sudan, Somalia? Are these faiths not practiced there ? Ghana has over 70% of christians. Nigeria goes as a split between Christians and Muslims.

#2 They wouldn't stop trading. The trading becomes more ineffective. If you're to use Indian territory for an inland country or that borders India  for movement of goods, you then need to pay India. If you were to export your goods to India then India imposes duties on your products. Your labour and manufacturing pool becomes way to small to compete with larger Indian manufacturing base. This is what we call economics of scale.Manufacturing self reliance is of utmost importance for any country. This is what you call economies sof scale. Relying on China , will only make you dependent on them and make you vulnerable to any of their whims and fancies which will be India's Achilles heel.

#3 What foreign exchange are you referring to ? Is it the money flowing into India by the IT BPO giants ? Or Remittance ?

Ok - so now the excuse is colonization.

Almost all muslim countries endured colonization - UAE did, Iraq did, Malysia did , Brunei did, Indonesia did - they all offer a far better quality of life to their citizen. They dont even have widespread English as well (except UAE). Infact many countries like indonesia, malaysia were much poorer than india in 1947. 

I did say they are about dozen countries - mostly in africa -  with lower gdp per capita. but honestly even they have better standard of life - sex, meat etc are much more easy there. India is terrible in everything.

Why would trading become ineffective ? anyway a state like AP with long coast and the gold mine manufacturing of east asia doesnt even need much to trade. Trade will happen in both labor and goods, india does not have any manufacturing competency as you seem to think. 

When biharis travel thousands of kms to dubai it is ridiculous to say they will avoid gujarat or ap.

[CanadianMalodu]

10 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Ok - so now the excuse is colonization.

Almost all muslim countries endured colonization - UAE did, Iraq did, Malysia did , Brunei did, Indonesia did - they all offer a far better quality of life to their citizen. They dont even have widespread English as well (except UAE). Infact many countries like indonesia, malaysia were much poorer than india in 1947. 

I did say they are about dozen countries - mostly in africa -  with lower gdp per capita. but honestly even they have better standard of life - sex, meat etc are much more easy there. India is terrible in everything.

Why would trading become ineffective ? anyway a state like AP with long coast and the gold mine manufacturing of east asia doesnt even need much to trade. Trade will happen in both labor and goods, india does not have any manufacturing competency as you seem to think. 

When biharis travel thousands of kms to dubai it is ridiculous to say they will avoid gujarat or ap.

We don't have oil reserves like what Iraq did and even like UAE back in the day. Most of the part of India's laggardness stems from the Nehruvian Socialist policies that screwed us till the economy opened till 90s, We took only three decades to achieve remarkable progress from 90s. India doesn't have manufacturing competency? Why are Mahindras and Tatas doing well in export market ?  Even domestically these home made automotive brands are doing well. So are two wheelers like Bajaj and TVS. We are building our own cruise missiles, and even are able to a pursue an independent space program.

Trade becomes ineffective when more tarrifs are involved. That means the sale price makes the products less competitive despite the lower manufacturing price. Also, the tariffs will be applied on imported raw materials from India by the newly seceded country which will only add to the manufacturing cost. If you're to ship it from other distant countries, then you got to Factor in shipping charges. There is a reason why free trade agreements are signed between nations, to avoid these tariffs. So what's the point to form a new country and then sign a free trade agreement which will also include things like free movement of citizens, when You're already a part of same country.

Coast line will facilitate trade. What do you mean AP doesn't need much to trade? If you don't trade how would you build wealth, to grow?

[Telugodura456]

11 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

We don't have oil reserves like what Iraq did and even like UAE back in the day. Most of the part of India's laggardness stems from the Nehruvian Socialist policies that screwed us till the economy opened till 90s, We took only three decades to achieve remarkable progress from 90s. India doesn't have manufacturing competency? Why are Mahindras and Tatas doing well in export market ?  Even domestically these home made automotive brands are doing well. So are two wheelers like Bajaj and TVS. We are building our own cruise missiles, and even are able to a pursue an independent space program.

Trade becomes ineffective when more tarrifs are involved. That means the sale price makes the products less competitive despite the lower manufacturing price. Also, the tariffs will be applied on imported raw materials from India by the newly seceded country which will only add to the manufacturing cost. If you're to ship it from other distant countries, then you got to Factor in shipping charges. There is a reason why free trade agreements are signed between nations, to avoid these tariffs. So what's the point to form a new country and then sign a free trade agreement which will also include things like free movement of citizens, when You're already a part of same country.

Coast line will facilitate trade. What do you mean AP doesn't need much to trade? If you don't trade how would you build wealth, to grow?

Do you seriously believe what you wrote ? First off india remains one of the poorest countries in world. Whatever progress was made after 90s (which is not much btw) - does it look like it came from administrative competency of delhi ? Leave other parts of north india - Delhi itself - which consumes huge amount of tax resources from other parts of india with its metro and all - provides no jobs for either educated south indians or uneducated ones.

And what socialism did indians ever get ? did they get free and good quality schooling like china, vietnam provide when they were poorer than india ? free healthcare ? it was always tyranny.

Very few countries impose tariffs like india does. India did not even allow AP to export rice till 2011 while encouraging basmati. SO many power plants were built in nellore with the expecation to use australia coal until india imposed huge tariffs on it.

India deliberaltey did not sign RCEP which would have reduced tariffs to protest adani-ambani companies ( i made this point before but you are no longer reacting but engaging in emotinal sanghi style monologues).

Also you are twisting the logic on new country vs tariff. the proposal of EU style new countries in india is to escape from tyranny of delhi not for reduced tariffs. Then you bought up tariffs so i said why will they stop trading ?

Moreover AP needs jackshit from rest of india - it is surplus in rice, fruits, eggs, chicken. We have  a coast and much more ethical and cheaper producers in vietnam, thailand, china japan etc.

[CanadianMalodu]

On 9/23/2023 at 1:33 AM, Telugodura456 said:

Do you seriously believe what you wrote ? First off india remains one of the poorest countries in world. Whatever progress was made after 90s (which is not much btw) - does it look like it came from administrative competency of delhi ? Leave other parts of north india - Delhi itself - which consumes huge amount of tax resources from other parts of india with its metro and all - provides no jobs for either educated south indians or uneducated ones.

And what socialism did indians ever get ? did they get free and good quality schooling like china, vietnam provide when they were poorer than india ? free healthcare ? it was always tyranny.

Very few countries impose tariffs like india does. India did not even allow AP to export rice till 2011 while encouraging basmati. SO many power plants were built in nellore with the expecation to use australia coal until india imposed huge tariffs on it.

India deliberaltey did not sign RCEP which would have reduced tariffs to protest adani-ambani companies ( i made this point before but you are no longer reacting but engaging in emotinal sanghi style monologues).

Also you are twisting the logic on new country vs tariff. the proposal of EU style new countries in india is to escape from tyranny of delhi not for reduced tariffs. Then you bought up tariffs so i said why will they stop trading ?

Moreover AP needs jackshit from rest of india - it is surplus in rice, fruits, eggs, chicken. We have  a coast and much more ethical and cheaper producers in vietnam, thailand, china japan etc.

#1 We started way worse at the time of independence. Sure, India has a lot of poor people. But if you are calling India poor by GDP per capita, that's not an accurate  measure. Countries like Srilanka, Egypt, Iraq and many other small nations  the likes of Slovenia, Slovenia, Serbia have even better GDP per capita. But none on their own has better political , financial and military might. Bigger countries like US and China have trampled on these counties at will. 

#2 What do you mean by Delhi doesn't provide jobs to south Indians? Delhi on its own has GDP of over $270 billion at par with other cities like Hyderabad and slightly lower than Mumbai and Bangalore. It's has software, IT companies and even some healthcare companies along side the Union government, which in itself is a big employer. Where did you get this information that south Indians are not employed in Delhi ? Union government has a lot of south Indians. RK puram in Delhi has a huge concentration of south Indians. 

#3 Where did I support socialism ? It's reason  why India was lagging advancement was what I told. I agree with you on this.

#4 I have mixed thoughts on RCEP. I overlooked it perhaps. Well, we get better goods at better prices for sure though. But when you're having China at one end, that's a problem. China had a much steadier head start compared to us, and has advanced technology. India is still moving toward finessing it's manufacturing abilities. Cutting tariffs on such goods is only going be a death knell for manufacturers based out of India. This problem is then further compounded by currency manipulation that China does. Killing the manufacturing base has become so costly for the countries in the west like Canada, most of Europe(Barring Germany to an extent) and most of US just became countries with consumer base. No self reliant country should do this. If this is the case with India, I don't understand how a new seceded country would even compete win behemoth like China. 

#5 IAFTA waived off 2.5% tariffs, what other duties are you talking about?

$6 I'm no twisting anything.Before EU and EEA, European countries used to impose tariffs on one another. Formation EU has removed that barrier. But it's also created free movement of people as well apart from goods. This is also seen to some extent in NAFTA or USMCA. Now hypothetically if a new country seceded from India, it won't have free access to India and vice versa and naturally tariffs kick in.  As simple as that. If the new country were to sign a free trade agreement then movement of people will certainly kick in. Why do you want get there to begin with, as you're in the same country?

#7 An independent Andhra Pradesh, doesn't have any advanced manufacturing turning base, neither a budget to master it. Agrarian surplus doesn't translate to manufacturing capabilities. When you're talking of countries like China, the sheer number of workers again a function high population , an area which Japan lacks kicks in. India as a country offers that capability ,call it economies of scale. Besides, you don't account for the budgets that your need to spend of Defense and diplomacy when being an independent country. 

[Variety_Pullayya]

On 9/20/2023 at 7:11 AM, kevinUsa said:

Endi ra edi Indian media asale Canada ante pillanu ivvadam ledu ante ee news vinte Inka no girls 

Asale India lo pilla parents psycho na M **** gallu endi ee racha

idedo manchi idea....we will start the rumors in india . papam ma US poragallaki competition thagguddi,

[Telugodura456]

21 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 We started way worse at the time of independence. Sure, India has a lot of poor people. But if you are calling India poor by GDP per capita, that's not an accurate  measure. Countries like Srilanka, Egypt, Iraq and many other small nations  the likes of Slovenia, Slovenia, Serbia have even better GDP per capita. But none on their own has better political , financial and military might. Bigger countries like US and China have trampled on these counties at will. 

#2 What do you mean by Delhi doesn't provide jobs to south Indians? Delhi on its own has GDP of over $270 billion at par with other cities like Hyderabad and slightly lower than Mumbai and Bangalore. It's has software, IT companies and even some healthcare companies along side the Union government, which in itself is a big employer. Where did you get this information that south Indians are not employed in Delhi ? Union government has a lot of south Indians. RK puram in Delhi has a huge concentration of south Indians. 

#3 Where did I support socialism ? It's reason  why India was lagging advancement was what I told. I agree with you on this.

#4 I have mixed thoughts on RCEP. I overlooked it perhaps. Well, we get better goods at better prices for sure though. But when you're having China at one end, that's a problem. China had a much steadier head start compared to us, and has advanced technology. India is still moving toward finessing it's manufacturing abilities. Cutting tariffs on such goods is only going be a death knell for manufacturers based out of India. This problem is then further compounded by currency manipulation that China does. Killing the manufacturing base has become so costly for the countries in the west like Canada, most of Europe(Barring Germany to an extent) and most of US just became countries with consumer base. No self reliant country should do this. If this is the case with India, I don't understand how a new seceded country would even compete win behemoth like China. 

#5 IAFTA waived off 2.5% tariffs, what other duties are you talking about?

$6 I'm no twisting anything.Before EU and EEA, European countries used to impose tariffs on one another. Formation EU has removed that barrier. But it's also created free movement of people as well apart from goods. This is also seen to some extent in NAFTA or USMCA. Now hypothetically if a new country seceded from India, it won't have free access to India and vice versa and naturally tariffs kick in.  As simple as that. If the new country were to sign a free trade agreement then movement of people will certainly kick in. Why do you want get there to begin with, as you're in the same country?

#7 An independent Andhra Pradesh, doesn't have any advanced manufacturing turning base, neither a budget to master it. Agrarian surplus doesn't translate to manufacturing capabilities. When you're talking of countries like China, the sheer number of workers again a function high population , an area which Japan lacks kicks in. India as a country offers that capability ,call it economies of scale. Besides, you don't account for the budgets that your need to spend of Defense and diplomacy when being an independent country. 

Maan ..its getting tiring ...all i can see is your want some cope for your emotions. You are no longer responding to facts.

"we started way worse" - are you trying to say majority people in world became worse only we became better from 60 years ago? what kind of cope is that?

GDP per capita means how an average citizen is doing which is abysmal in india. what is your obsession with "trampling" - china did not even occupy hongkong like india did with Goa or kashmir. China waited patiently until 1989 for Uk to return and promised dual currency and dual laws for 50 years which it still implements. The worst tramplerer i have seen is India whether kashmir or punjab or north east.

Slovenians are not told to speak in german in their country. They have soverignty and prosperity.  They have freedom to travel in europe and their little passport is far more powerful than india's.

Also what benefits being part of large country like india give ? does indian passport carry any weight ? does world respect when you say you are indian? indians are treated like $hit by their own neighbours - some of them poorer. You have to wait super long to get even a green card thanks to your citizenship.

Delhi has no jobs for south indians - ante govt jobs antav. Govt jobs are forced jobs - they come as part of law not to serve economy. How many south indians has goi recruited in army or ias or upsc or railways ? is it proportional to their tax contribution ?

I did not say you support socialism - I said india never did socialism properly. If it ever did socialism you would atleast have free and good schooling like chinese had 40 years ago.

And you are confusingly arguing for tarifffs in context of RCEP now after crying that tariffs will make things costly if ap were seperate. As i said you are talking to yourself to reassure your emotional feelings for a concept called india.

Also after are arguing we did so well in your first para - you are now arguing we are still very bad and need tariffs to support us. which is it ? why is india so bad after 70 years that it cant compete with vietnam or thailand - both in RCEP ? there is no proper reflection just ready made sanghi explanation.

It is nonsense to say AP has no industrial base - where do you get this information from ? Hyd is india's pharmacetical capital - all with no gio intervention. The only covid vacinne made in india came from Krishna Ella. Most of regional tv channels were set up Ap based entrepresunes - tv9 to etv gujrati, etv hindi etc. The best public infra in india from delhi airport to mumbai airport to gmy hyd airport to best pvt port krishnapatnam - all built by ap enterpresuners.

 

 

[CanadianMalodu]

1 hour ago, Telugodura456 said:

Maan ..its getting tiring ...all i can see is your want some cope for your emotions. You are no longer responding to facts.

"we started way worse" - are you trying to say majority people in world became worse only we became better from 60 years ago? what kind of cope is that?

GDP per capita means how an average citizen is doing which is abysmal in india. what is your obsession with "trampling" - china did not even occupy hongkong like india did with Goa or kashmir. China waited patiently until 1989 for Uk to return and promised dual currency and dual laws for 50 years which it still implements. The worst tramplerer i have seen is India whether kashmir or punjab or north east.

Slovenians are not told to speak in german in their country. They have soverignty and prosperity.  They have freedom to travel in europe and their little passport is far more powerful than india's.

Also what benefits being part of large country like india give ? does indian passport carry any weight ? does world respect when you say you are indian? indians are treated like $hit by their own neighbours - some of them poorer. You have to wait super long to get even a green card thanks to your citizenship.

Delhi has no jobs for south indians - ante govt jobs antav. Govt jobs are forced jobs - they come as part of law not to serve economy. How many south indians has goi recruited in army or ias or upsc or railways ? is it proportional to their tax contribution ?

I did not say you support socialism - I said india never did socialism properly. If it ever did socialism you would atleast have free and good schooling like chinese had 40 years ago.

And you are confusingly arguing for tarifffs in context of RCEP now after crying that tariffs will make things costly if ap were seperate. As i said you are talking to yourself to reassure your emotional feelings for a concept called india.

Also after are arguing we did so well in your first para - you are now arguing we are still very bad and need tariffs to support us. which is it ? why is india so bad after 70 years that it cant compete with vietnam or thailand - both in RCEP ? there is no proper reflection just ready made sanghi explanation.

It is nonsense to say AP has no industrial base - where do you get this information from ? Hyd is india's pharmacetical capital - all with no gio intervention. The only covid vacinne made in india came from Krishna Ella. Most of regional tv channels were set up Ap based entrepresunes - tv9 to etv gujrati, etv hindi etc. The best public infra in india from delhi airport to mumbai airport to gmy hyd airport to best pvt port krishnapatnam - all built by ap enterpresuners.

 

 

Where did I turn emotional ? There were simply no parallels to a country like India, which was destined to be a failure state when the Brits left us after a bloody partition with power in the hands of their lackeys. The blood shed, loss of life property and slavery that India endured during Brits (leave the brutality of Islam, that's another story) has no parallels. So we started at relatively worse then anyone else whomever you were comparing to. This is merely factual, not emotional.

I know what GDP per capita is. I'm trying to say that in itself, is a not a better metric itself for practical purposes. GDP per capita of Slovenia is almost double that of China, so does that mean Slovenia is well off than China ?  Iraq has better GDP per capital than India, did US not go to war with it ,and ravaged it entirely? Was that not the case with Egypt ? The Brits and Israelis humiliated Egypt during the Suez Canal crisis. India has size leverage here. No big superpowers can unilaterally invade or sanction us because of the sheer size. Passport rankings doesn't matter much tbh in reality. I myself hold a Canadian passport, but what chance do I have to go icu Indian who can travel the world at will. Sure, getting a visa consumes time and money, yet they travel a lot in a sense where I don't stand a chance. It's about what you amie in reality rather than what passport you have. Sure, an average techie makes more in the West in absolute terms. What has green card wait time to do with India in this context? It's simply because more people from India  aspire to get one by living in USA. Chinese do that too despite being very advanced technology technologically than India. 

Delhi lo Microsoft undhi. Andhulo South vallu unnaru. IT companies like HCL lo bochudu mandhi Telugu vallu unnaru. Delhi Metro man Sridharan ee south vaadu. How did you arrive at this conclusion that south Indians don't have jobs in Delhi?

There are good chunk of IAS officers from South. Indian army has Madras regiment, by legacy many from South served in it. Proportionally, North officers particularly from UP and Bihar are represented higher in the UPSC jobs, than south but that has something to do with legacy. That's didn't discourage Telugus from tipping the exams over years. Proportional to tax contribution meaning, do you want a reservation to be introduced per state, based on tax contribution? I didn't know it that can stand legal scrutiny, as reservations are usually framed based on representative population.

The trade deficits that India has with China stand over $100 billion. By July last year the trade deficit was $67.08 billion and we made significant by this year by cutting it to $47.04 billion. Joining RCEP will make our deficits balloon up as our manufacturing capabilities are not at aor with China, Japan or even Malaysia. Sure, I hate Indian government imposing taxes on our industries they in turn taking it out of Consumers pocket. I hate it, but there is zero chance for Indians manufacturers to compete with likes of China, Japan unless we give them some more time. Which is why I said I have mixed thoughts. As a consumer I'm more inclined to buy goods that are better worth my money, but I don't want country to end up poorer.

Since you brought up pharmaceuticals and I work in this sector, let me tell you this RCEP will bring patents in drugs to an extended 20 year period. If the patent expired in India, we're still bound to extend the patent of all those drugs, quintessentially killing our generic drug industry which we boast of at the moment for its success and increase the prices of the drugs at least by probably five fold. Do you know the ramifications it bears on insurance policies ? and other healthcare costs ?

Also, you're not entirely correct to say that there was no government intervention in the development of pharmaceutical sector in Hyderabad. Indian Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Limited (IDPL) was a government to India undertaking aimed at producing affordable cost drug for Indians. Then there is an Indian Institute of Chemical technology (IICT) another union government's undertaking that's  established in Hyderabad. Most of the pharma entrepreneurs are associated with either of these two institutions. Kallam Ani reddi used to work at IDPL. At the time of formation of Dr. Reddy's methyldopa was the first  bulk drug that Dr. Reddy's sold. It was alleged that Dr.Anji reddi along with Divi Murali(founder of Divi labs) lifted off the intellectual property pertaining to Methyldopa they replicated it at Dr. Reddy's and that they compromised IDPL for their sake. 

Well I was talking of AP as a seceded country will not have the industrial base to compete with likes of China, if you are talking about Andhra as a country getting on board with RCEP. As I stated earlier, it will counterproductive for Indian pharmaceutical as most of our strength lies in cheap manufacturing of generics, not that we have cutting edge technology. These drugs are not hard to be manufactured and it's only US multinationals and Pharmacy chains that allowed this to be moved to India for cost cutting purposes just like that of BPO based IT services. China on the other hand is the second largest market for pharmaceuticals after US, RCEP is bound to decimate indian pharmaceutical industry. I know the pharmaceutical and Biological prowess of Chinese companies. They don't leave Indian  pharmaceuticals companies any advantage. Zydus Cadila has another covid vaccine. What does it prove? AP entrepreneurs also prospered because they went pan India. Whatever success  you cited hat proves my point. Being in the same country by default means being in a free trade zone.

All I'm trying to say is it's counterintuitive to expect RCEP to grow Indian economy or Andhra as an independent country without developing manufacturing capabilities first. If you do, then the trade deficits will only balloon so much so that the Chinese can leverage it politically.

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1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Where did I turn emotional ? There were simply no parallels to a country like India, which was destined to be a failure state when the Brits left us after a bloody partition with power in the hands of their lackeys. The blood shed, loss of life property and slavery that India endured during Brits (leave the brutality of Islam, that's another story) has no parallels. So we started at relatively worse then anyone else whomever you were comparing to. This is merely factual, not emotional.

I know what GDP per capita is. I'm trying to say that in itself, is a not a better metric itself for practical purposes. GDP per capita of Slovenia is almost double that of China, so does that mean Slovenia is well off than China ?  Iraq has better GDP per capital than India, did US not go to war with it ,and ravaged it entirely? Was that not the case with Egypt ? The Brits and Israelis humiliated Egypt during the Suez Canal crisis. India has size leverage here. No big superpowers can unilaterally invade or sanction us because of the sheer size. Passport rankings doesn't matter much tbh in reality. I myself hold a Canadian passport, but what chance do I have to go icu Indian who can travel the world at will. Sure, getting a visa consumes time and money, yet they travel a lot in a sense where I don't stand a chance. It's about what you amie in reality rather than what passport you have. Sure, an average techie makes more in the West in absolute terms. What has green card wait time to do with India in this context? It's simply because more people from India  aspire to get one by living in USA. Chinese do that too despite being very advanced technology technologically than India. 

Delhi lo Microsoft undhi. Andhulo South vallu unnaru. IT companies like HCL lo bochudu mandhi Telugu vallu unnaru. Delhi Metro man Sridharan ee south vaadu. How did you arrive at this conclusion that south Indians don't have jobs in Delhi?

There are good chunk of IAS officers from South. Indian army has Madras regiment, by legacy many from South served in it. Proportionally, North officers particularly from UP and Bihar are represented higher in the UPSC jobs, than south but that has something to do with legacy. That's didn't discourage Telugus from tipping the exams over years. Proportional to tax contribution meaning, do you want a reservation to be introduced per state, based on tax contribution? I didn't know it that can stand legal scrutiny, as reservations are usually framed based on representative population.

The trade deficits that India has with China stand over $100 billion. By July last year the trade deficit was $67.08 billion and we made significant by this year by cutting it to $47.04 billion. Joining RCEP will make our deficits balloon up as our manufacturing capabilities are not at aor with China, Japan or even Malaysia. Sure, I hate Indian government imposing taxes on our industries they in turn taking it out of Consumers pocket. I hate it, but there is zero chance for Indians manufacturers to compete with likes of China, Japan unless we give them some more time. Which is why I said I have mixed thoughts. As a consumer I'm more inclined to buy goods that are better worth my money, but I don't want country to end up poorer.

Since you brought up pharmaceuticals and I work in this sector, let me tell you this RCEP will bring patents in drugs to an extended 20 year period. If the patent expired in India, we're still bound to extend the patent of all those drugs, quintessentially killing our generic drug industry which we boast of at the moment for its success and increase the prices of the drugs at least by probably five fold. Do you know the ramifications it bears on insurance policies ? and other healthcare costs ?

Also, you're not entirely correct to say that there was no government intervention in the development of pharmaceutical sector in Hyderabad. Indian Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Limited (IDPL) was a government to India undertaking aimed at producing affordable cost drug for Indians. Then there is an Indian Institute of Chemical technology (IICT) another union government's undertaking that's  established in Hyderabad. Most of the pharma entrepreneurs are associated with either of these two institutions. Kallam Ani reddi used to work at IDPL. At the time of formation of Dr. Reddy's methyldopa was the first  bulk drug that Dr. Reddy's sold. It was alleged that Dr.Anji reddi along with Divi Murali(founder of Divi labs) lifted off the intellectual property pertaining to Methyldopa they replicated it at Dr. Reddy's and that they compromised IDPL for their sake. 

Well I was talking of AP as a seceded country will not have the industrial base to compete with likes of China, if you are talking about Andhra as a country getting on board with RCEP. As I stated earlier, it will counterproductive for Indian pharmaceutical as most of our strength lies in cheap manufacturing of generics, not that we have cutting edge technology. These drugs are not hard to be manufactured and it's only US multinationals and Pharmacy chains that allowed this to be moved to India for cost cutting purposes just like that of BPO based IT services. China on the other hand is the second largest market for pharmaceuticals after US, RCEP is bound to decimate indian pharmaceutical industry. I know the pharmaceutical and Biological prowess of Chinese companies. They don't leave Indian  pharmaceuticals companies any advantage. Zydus Cadila has another covid vaccine. What does it prove? AP entrepreneurs also prospered because they went pan India. Whatever success  you cited hat proves my point. Being in the same country by default means being in a free trade zone.

All I'm trying to say is it's counterintuitive to expect RCEP to grow Indian economy or Andhra as an independent country without developing manufacturing capabilities first. If you do, then the trade deficits will only balloon so much so that the Chinese can leverage it politically.

Again more cope - colonialism impacted a lot of countries. But you are completely wrong that india in 1947 was worse than other countries. The country had one of the largest networks of railways, plenty of steel , cement factories. Mumbai was better off than bombed out tokyo - infact far better than singapore . It has an industrial, unionized workforce ripe for industrialization - which none of the far east countries (othr than japan) had.

Singapore was a slum, south korea was poorer than sub saharan aftrica. india already had tatas, birlas, trams, suburban rails, even air india, army, navy (china only had fishing boats then), a film industry in multiple languages rivalling many in world.

Now where is singapore and where is mumbai ?

Also you have this weird perception of world where everyone is trampling on others. Most small countries get along fine with no one trampling them. India's size did not prevent india from being invaded in 1947,62,72 and even in 99 in kargil and very recently china occupired terriroty in doklam. Us also threatened to invade india in 1971 and stopped due to soviet supports.

You are bieng either ignorant or  absolutely dishonest about delhi creating jobs of south indians. I cant deal with dishonesty. A few smattering of jobs does not disprove the fact that delhi is not a destination for vast vast majority of south indians at any skill level.

On RCEP - once again a whine that india CANNOT compete. but WHY ? did you reflect why india cannot compete with likes of thailand or vietnam after 70 years ?there is no proper reflection other than one sob story after other.

It is ridiculous to say AP entrepreneus prospered because of india - then why did not hindi entrepreneurs do it. Whatever Ap entrepreneurs did - it was always in new fields. In old fields they were trampled. And they are trampled now anyway. GVK was forced to sell of mumbai airport to Adani, Krishnapatnam port was forced to be sold off to adani. AP entreprenesuhip ENDED after it was divided.

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Moreover @CanadianMalodu - a nation is not defined by size - then why not dream of whole asia as india ? a nation usually forms because of something tangible and material than people share. You are defending  india - a third world failure - by its utility - which is laughable really.