How Israel occupied Palestine !

[CanadianMalodu]

On 10/14/2023 at 11:05 PM, Raven_Rayes said:

are hindus a monolithic entity for you to be peddling victim narratives on their behalf then?

from the same example you mention of muslims atrocities on Hindus - Hyderabad. Operation Polo is supposed to have killed an estimated 1lakh+ muslims in Hyderabad. can one chalk this up to Indian state acting on behalf of Hindus, just like you do the other way around.

the other one you mention is kashmir right? here too in 1947, Indian army massacred an estimated 80k muslims in Jammu, forever altering the demographics of that region. Is this enough atrocities Hindus committed on muslims for you?

so by your logic, since landed castes are no longer doing atrocities on sc (wild claim really if you pick up and read a newspaper), so its fine if the hindus are given a free pass..

but if one applies this logic to muslims.. are muslims attacking the hindus day in and out in India? I'm just saying that you are an islamophobic bigot.

 

Where did I peddle a victim narrative ? It's an established fact. Islam in India spread through conquest. Non believers were forced to pay jizya. There was a forced attempt to islamize large population and resistance was met with rape, looting and death. This was a repeated phenomenon. Mappila riots in Kerala during Khilafat riots showed what's darul harb is about.  Tens of thousands of Hindus (the figures in wiki is something I don't agree with) particularly namboodiris and Nairs were executed, wealth plunderer women raped during Khilafat movement this was in 1920s. Pre British during the islamic rule of India had way worse.  Heck, an entire new race of people called gypsies were created due to the slave trade of women perpetrated by islamic rulers and a mountain range is named Hindu Kush.  Slave trade as always been a part of Islamic nations btw. The genocide perpetrated against Hindus in Bangladesh post independence again has no parallels. Their government puts the number at 3M again that's Conservative, I believe it to be far higher. 

Operation polo itself didn't have as many casualties. What you're referring to is perhaps alleged pogrom in the aftermath. Most of this allegedly happened in Kalyana Karnataka region and in the hometown of Razvi per sunderlal committee report. Although the committee was headed by pandit sunderlal, the report was prepared by Maulana abdullah misiri and qazi abdul gaffar who drafted it at the behest of qasim razvi. If any, this may have happened on a smaller scale to vent out the brutal repression meted out to Hindus but not on the scale of Sunderlal report. This entire exercise had a motive which was to shame Patel, by Nehru.

The anecdotes of Razakar violence will be found in every affected village of telangana. The last generation of living senior citizens have tales to tell even today. I suspect if you have seen moslems telling the same stories of loot and pillage and defilation meted out to them today. There was no attempt ever to bring it out to the media or mainstream cinema also makes me to question it's credibility. 

 

1947 jammu massacre was preceded by  Calcutta killings of 1946 by moslem league.Reasi, Mirpur areas of jammu were moslem dominated ans other areas had Hindu majority. I don't think it's fair in such a situation to isolate it and look at it.

Haven't atrocities come down form their levels in 80's and 90's. Are men of landed gentry are still hacking scheduled castes to death ? There are no mass killings. Individual cases are an exception. Did schedules castes not ascent to prosperity and didn't their representation in socio economic life grow from 80, 90s to today ?

Where did I give anyone a free pass? Hindu uppercastes are never a monolithic entity as you looked at them. 

My problem with moslems is straight. It's not hatred, but matter of plain straight facts. Unless they reform their religion, to remove darul harb, and pledge their allegiance to the nation state than their book, and that the Indian laws remove religion based concessions unjustly awarded to moslems, and remove the restriction imposed to followers of Hindu faith, there won't be a long term solution to coexistence. No other democratic nations have different sets of laws for different religions unless they are islamic themselves.

[CanadianMalodu]

4 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

"you" posted - yea right - a third rate moron  against what most the jewish organizations themselves saying.

West had exactly the same policies against natives when they were in the setttling. they succesfully genocided them but israel couldnt.

One reason as to why settlers conquest was lot more easier even though more bloodier is because of technology. There are able to make use of modern weaponry to lunch and conquer native territory and were able to take away their kids and had them placed in residential schools. They are working towards to a supposedly system that would assimilate remaining natives, where natives need to adopt Christian value system, their jurisprudence based on common law, their language, their culture and so on so forth. Israel on the other hand cannot do that, because they want an exclusive Jewish state, and Arabs are moslems, assimilation is not possible. Genocide will only result in more retaliation attacks on Israel. But what they were able to do so is annex arab territory every time, they go to war putting back pressure on Arabs to rethink their approach towards the Jewish state. 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

It's an established fact. Islam in India spread through conquest. Non believes are forced to pay jizya. There was forced attempt to islamize large population and resistance was met with rape, looting and death. This is repeated phenomenon.

its also an established fact that Marathas invaded Bengal and Tamils, and caused untold horror. History is not as simple to be picking sides, except if you are a partisan actor with an objective to valorize or demean a particular group.

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

The genocide perpetrated against Hindus in Bangladesh post independence again has no parallels. Their government puts the number at 3M again that's Conservative, I believe it to be far higher. 

The genocide was against Bengalis. Sure, Hindus were targeted disproportionately, but muslim bengalis were targeted too.

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Operation polo itself didn't have as many casualties. What you're referring to is perhaps alleged pogrom in the aftermath. Most of this allegedly happened in Kalyana Karnataka region and in the hometown of Razvi per sunderlal committee report. Although the committee was headed by pandit sunderlal, the report was prepared by Maulana abdullah misiri and qazi abdul gaffar who drafted it at the behest of qasim razvi. If any, this may have happened on a smaller scale to vent out the brutal repression meter out to Hindus but not on the scale of Sunderlal report. This entire exercise had a motive which was to shame Patel, by Nehru.

how convenient. unfortunately not just sunderlal report, many independent findings put the number much higher than the number sunderlal had come up with.

plus the violence in Telangana was not just carried by the razakars (which included feudal hindu landlords too btw), but several other competing guerilla groups, hyderabad state congress, the socialist party, and the hindu mahasabha played considerable part in the violence.

but the pushback to the violence was overwhelming faced by muslims, and the peasant militants and communist who had successfully defeated local landlords in a lot of areas.

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

1947 jammu massacre was preceded by  Calcutta killings of 1946 by moslem league.Reasi, Mirpur areas of jammu were moslem dominated ans other areas had Hindu majority. I don't think it's fair in such a situation to isolate it and look at it.

where did calcutta come in here? jammu massacre was mostly Raja Hari Singh flexing his muscles to put down a rebellion in his territory, and plenty of hindus in RSS, INA, akalis joining in killing of muslims.

so its unfair to look hindus participating in wanton killing of muslims, but okay to do it the other way around, is it?

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Haven't atrocities come down form their levels in 80's and 90's. Are men of landed gentry are still hacking scheduled castes to death ? There are no mass killings. Individual cases are an exception. Did schedules castes didn't ascent to prosperity and didn't their representation in socio economic life grow from 80, 90s to today ?

dude, if you use that logic, muslims are socially, economically, culturally completely decimated in India. why do you still hold a grudge against them for things that happened a century ago, in a madness everyone participated in, including a lot of Hindus too.

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

My problem with moslems is  way straight. It's not hatred, but matter of plain straight facts. Unless they reform their religion, to remove darul harb, and pledge their allegiance to the nation state than their book, and that the Indian laws remove religion based concessions u justly awarded to moslems, and remove the restriction imposed to followers or Hindu faith, there won't be a long term solution to coexistence. No other democratic nations have different sets of laws for different religions unless they are islamic themselves.

After cherry picking muslims as aggressors in the last century, no one would take your claim that you don't have hatred for muslims seriously, outside of your sanghi friends.

people don't reform their religion because an outsider is uncomfortable with it. would you reform your religion, if a christian disapproved of it, by pointing to unsavoury parts of your religion? don't be delusional.

its not religion based concessions that were offered to muslims, its legal pluralism. India is not the only democracy that has multiple laws for multiple groups. malaysia has it too. if India has a problem with integrating muslims in their republic, then they can have separate federal territorial governance for muslims.

you can't wish away 15% of population that are native to India, just because you disapprove of their religion. that's fascist.

 

 

[CanadianMalodu]

On 10/15/2023 at 5:12 AM, Telugodura456 said:

Dude ..every mainstream media in west is baying for palestine blood - whether liberal or conservative. why are you under an illiusioon that you are doing something against mainstream media ? you only dissemeniate what they told you to with some differences which are meaningless.

No one has any problem with patriotism - whether japanese, americans british or germans. But here it is occupation of arabs in palestine and every western country has united in cheering for it. dont you see a problem ?

I know it. It's no different from 9/11 (it's hard to believe even scientifically, that two planes running on kerosene were capable of bringing down buildings made of concrete and steel that weigh thousands of tonnes in entirety), WMD in iraq, war in Libya and Ukraine.  How exactly did American made weapons like M2, M4 and M16 retrieved from killed Hamas intruders, reach them? MSM is again giving a spin that Russia has supplied Hamas with these weapons that they captured  from  Ukrainian army, but I find it hard to believe. Russia doesn't gain much by supplying Hamas with their weapons, let alone American weapons. Which is why I feel this is another false flag attack by deep state.

[Raven_Rayes]

16 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

it's hard to believe even scientifically, that two planes running on kerosene were capable of bringing down thousands of tonnes or buildings in entirety

well structural engineers disagree and  are surprised at how the building even stood up to the attack, even for a short while.

FEMA report says that the fire from the aircraft fuel that caused thermal expansion of the floors resisted by the steel columns which gave in after a point, and each floor fell on top of the other and the whole building progressively collapsed.

 

[CanadianMalodu]

14 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

well structural engineers disagree and  are surprised at how the building even stood up to the attack, even for a short while.

FEMA report says that the fire from the aircraft fuel that caused thermal expansion of the floors resisted by the steel columns which gave in after a point, and each floor fell on top of the other and the whole building progressively collapsed.

 

Structural engineers commissioned to run the make believe propaganda machine. How did WTC building 7 collapse if not hit by a  plane then ? How was Pentagon hit only when auditing was being done ?  2020 Beirut Silos blast was due to supposedly 'dangerous cargo's that's equivalent to 1.1 kilo tonnes of TNT, and the silos still has some remains to be seen. Contrast that with WTC, the towers collapsed without any remains.  How come both towers collapsed in an identical manner? Why was debris removed quickly without investigation?I It looked more like (there is a lot material out there to point this way) a controlled demolition.

[ARYA]

On 10/8/2023 at 6:52 PM, TOM_BHAYYA said:

Ee dharidhraniki antha karanam aa mxxda British empire ani chadiva.. they promised the same land to both Palestine and Jews during ww2

Vallu andari madhya penta petti potaru same ind pak laga