How Israel occupied Palestine !

[Telugodura456]

19 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

zionism emerged  in russia in 1850s after assassination of the tsar alexander II, when restrictive laws were imposed on jews compared to jewish integration that happened in the west post french revolution, when jews were forced to give up special laws for themselves.

 

LOL .. where do you get such cock and bull stories. Jews were never integrated in to europe it was always fits and starts.

Zionism as a coherent political ideology was established by a westerner Theodor Herzl from austria. And another western country UK realized it using the power it had through colonial control of Palestine.

It is really no different to setting up of australia to canada to america to latin americans. They are all - rightly - seen as part of west.

 

[Telugodura456]

16 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

I think when you're too rooted in the main stream media, things sort of get subverted. If you try disseminating the terms that you have used say 'white nationalist' , what's inherently wrong with word? Being white and a nationalist? Is either wrong or both put together wrong? Can japanese not be nationalist? Or say Chinese or Indian be nationalist? Ethnocentrism has always been a part of building a nation state. If nation state is a reality, then is being nationalist not good?

Sure, you can call me a conspiracy theorist. That's what mainstream media which is quick at tagging people with labels does. The trickery here is conspiracy in itself literally means a bunch people plotting together to do something sinister. Incidentally, criminal jurisprudence uses the term conspiracy when charges are to be levied or even when judgements are passed. If the system and government are complicit in the events evidence gets erased or witnesses get terminated thus charges cannot be pressed or no formal trial takes place, so it stays in a theory. But the MSM spin implies the word to make it look like a wild imaginative tale. You need to get to the origins of CIA and how it works with extra state actors both domestically and international to comprehend it.

Soros is just the hand, one of the proxie(s)of the Bilderbergers. But Soros rise to wealth is indeed not a chance happening, breaking the back of bank of England requires exclusive insider information. But the guy's intentions are very clear. He declared himself to be against every nationalist leader. His open society foundation, implies distorting the idea of nation state. But, I guess writing much here won't change your perception, unless, you try to investigate the events yourself.

I don't share hatred  for Jews. But I do have problem, with Bilderbergers and forced push of globalism and meddling in the electoral process in Canada, US , Europe and India. I do have a problem with them using technology to blackmail or surrender leaders into submission against the will of the electorate.

The only worry that I have at this time is if this is another false flag event by deep state just like that of 9/11, WMD in Iraq, Ukraine and if Iran gets dragged into a war. World is being pushed into perilous situation again.

Dude ..every mainstream media in west is baying for palestine blood - whether liberal or conservative. why are you under an illiusioon that you are doing something against mainstream media ? you only dissemeniate what they told you to with some differences which are meaningless.

No one has any problem with patriotism - whether japanese, americans british or germans. But here it is occupation of arabs in palestine and every western country has united in cheering for it. dont you see a problem ?

[LakshmiParavathi]

On 10/8/2023 at 7:38 PM, csrcsr said:

 

Thank yiu annalu Oh basics antha teliyadu bayya so before Christ was born there is no Christianity

Telvanapudu endudku beeey comment cheyadamm @vuncle chepamandu

[Telugodura456]

16 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

 

Moslem nations consistently rank better only if Arab nations are included, but that's again something to do with oil wealth. You can't say the same for Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Same applies for the likes of Libya, Iraq, Iran even though they have oil, its due to US deep state actions.

Thats not true - apart from pakistan and once upon a time bangaldesh - all non arab muslim countries do better than india. whether malaysia or indonesia or brunei or turkey or bosnia or kazhakstan. just look up.

[Telugodura456]

19 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

. it is to break anti-caste movements to align himself with a caste, and try to maximize power under that caste. no differnt from how reddies, kammas did. He's the neobrahmin.

yes muslim nations consistently rank better for HDI on average than India.

also muslims don't give a fcuk what happens in palestine, anymore than Hindus give a fcuk about what happens to Hindus in Pakistan.

Your understanding on reddies/kammas is completely wrong. But there is no point arguing with it. Your anti kamma and ani kostha  and pro-ysrcp is simply based on vibes and shits and giggles. You have pretty much zero knowledge on any of them.

[Raven_Rayes]

2 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Your understanding on reddies/kammas is completely wrong. But there is no point arguing with it. Your anti kamma and ani kostha  and pro-ysrcp is simply based on vibes and shits and giggles. You have pretty much zero knowledge on any of them.

anti-caste coalitions are diluted to push caste pride among kamma/reddies, and now kapus are gearing up to do the same. and other castes with enough population/wealth are in the works too.

your personal hatred for feudals seems just like a vehicle to push your own caste's path into the top echelon's of hindu hierarchy, while you post against varna dharma. It all seems a bit disingenuous.

 

[Telugodura456]

6 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

anti-caste coalitions are diluted to push caste pride among kamma/reddies, and now kapus are gearing up to do the same. and other castes with enough population/wealth are in the works too.

your personal hatred for feudals seems just like a vehicle to push your own caste's path into the top echelon's of hindu hierarchy, while you post against varna dharma. It all seems a bit disingenuous.

 

I dont have any "personal" hatred on feudals. It is obvious that a market  oriented class is far superior and more progressive than feudals though not perfect.

Someone like ramoji rao who first started a hugely popular farmers exclusive tv show annadata has far more progressive impact than every naxalite put together.

It is riduculous to think kammas or kapus are trying for any hierarchy. absolute bullshit. what they have is some tribal pride - think sports team . And time will take care of that too.

In fact nothing destroys the very notion of a hierarchy than the overall development of agri castes of kammas and kapus. It is not for nothing that   rss/modi all ganged up and hate them . Look at what they all are doing to CBN - 31 days on a case with no evidence. And courts keep postponing day after day.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

2 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

LOL .. where do you get such cock and bull stories. Jews were never integrated in to europe it was always fits and starts.

Zionism as a coherent political ideology was established by a westerner Theodor Herzl from austria. And another western country UK realized it using the power it had through colonial control of Palestine.

It is really no different to setting up of australia to canada to america to latin americans. They are all - rightly - seen as part of west.

 

From actual books that I read, not some wiki page.

Zionism has its roots in a Russian jewish movement called Haskala which arose in the 1850s, to attempt to break from communal living and integrate into the Russian society. They were inspired by the idea of legal equality that western european jews seemingly enjoyed by then. Tsar Alexander II had relaxed a number of restrictive laws, like allowing jews to attend Russian universities, and provided hope to these idealists.

All this changed when the Tsar was assasinated and was replacdd by a conservative regime hostile to modernization and jewish integration. There was brutal attacks on Russian jews throughout which changed the Jewish modernists approach towards integration into Russia, and led a huge wave of about 1.5mil jews out of Russia. Majority moved to the US, but many of those attracted to Haskala movement moved to Palestine.

the movement changed its name to BILU - founded many agricultural communes that were later called the kibbutzim, a key embodiment of zionist principles.

a more spread out organization called Hibbat Zion (love of Zion) emerged in 1881 in Russia, and when they found life in Russia unbearable,emigrated to Palestine too. It is this organization that first envisaged Eretz Israel (land of Israel).

Theodore Herzi contributions to development of zionism were obvious, but he was originally aiming to be a leader for the jews to liberate them, because he naively believed that western europeans would be fair with jews. It changed when a french-jew Alfred Dreyfus was falsely accused of treason and sentenced, and the reaction of the French right is what led Herzi to first write the pamphlet that today many consider as the marking of beginning of zionism in 1895.

but zionist ideas had already begun by then, both in Russia and in Palestine. Herzi just called out for western european jews to join in too, inspite of the extraordinary lengths the French left went to defend Herzi, he never believed that jews would be safe in Europe.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

17 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

Someone like ramoji rao who first started a hugely popular farmers exclusive tv show annadata has far more progressive impact than every naxalite put together.

and today he's running pieces on Eenadu defending cbn in a case where he's obviously guilty. whatever the original intention was, it has morphed into blind faith in particular institutions they built along the way, that forced them to defend corruption, in the worst possible way. What's the difference now between Jagan and cbn, other than that cbn has the backing of majority of media?

19 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

In fact nothing destroys the very notion of a hierarchy than the overall development of agri castes of kammas and kapus. It is not for nothing that   rss/modi all ganged up and hate them . Look at what they all are doing to CBN - 31 days on a case with no evidence. And courts keep postponing day after day.

if there's no evidence, why is cbn arguing only on the legality of the arrest and not on the merits of the case? He could've been out on bail if he argues on the merits of the case, but he'll be branded as accused until he clears himself. because there's enough prima facie evidence on him to keep this case running for years.

instead he's asking for gag order and challenging on legality of his arrest. perhaps the first time someone used 17a act so brazenly, that Modi brought in to save himself from future investigations into the rafael scam.

23 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

It is riduculous to think kammas or kapus are trying for any hierarchy. absolute bullshit. what they have is some tribal pride - think sports team . And time will take care of that too.

not ridiculous. every caste that breaks away from anti-caste coalition to enrich themselves and corner power for themselves in participating and trying to lead this hierarchy game that varna dharma had set up. most indians unconsciously participate in that, including a lot of them who say that they don't care about caste.

[Raven_Rayes]

35 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

I dont have any "personal" hatred on feudals. It is obvious that a market  oriented class is far superior and more progressive than feudals though not perfect.

market oriented class.. lmao. people who are comfortable with the market, when it is favourable to them are not market oriented, they just control that market due to the vast advantages they were bequeathed because of being close to power, wealth or any such reasons.

handing out favourable overpriced govt contracts is not 'market'.. its a crony capitalist class.

yes they are better than feudals, no doubt. but there's no need to defend their bs too. Time to fcuk them and move forward.

[Raven_Rayes]

42 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

It is riduculous to think kammas or kapus are trying for any hierarchy. absolute bullshit. what they have is some tribal pride - think sports team . And time will take care of that too.

time won't take care of that. its upto the anti-caste minded people to drive out all these self styled saviours of people and change the course of history.

left without any pushback, kammas/kapus etc will morph into exactly what they orginally claimed to be fighting against. may be even worse.

 

[Telugodura456]

14 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

and today he's running pieces on Eenadu defending cbn in a case where he's obviously guilty. whatever the original intention was, it has morphed into blind faith in particular institutions they built along the way, that forced them to defend corruption, in the worst possible way. What's the difference now between Jagan and cbn, other than that cbn has the backing of majority of media?

if there's no evidence, why is cbn arguing only on the legality of the arrest and not on the merits of the case? He could've been out on bail if he argues on the merits of the case, but he'll be branded as accused until he clears himself. because there's enough prima facie evidence on him to keep this case running for years.

instead he's asking for gag order and challenging on legality of his arrest. perhaps the first time someone used 17a act so brazenly, that Modi brought in to save himself from future investigations into the rafael scam.

not ridiculous. every caste that breaks away from anti-caste coalition to enrich themselves and corner power for themselves in participating and trying to lead this hierarchy game that varna dharma had set up. most indians unconsciously participate in that, including a lot of them who say that they don't care about caste.

LOL ... you are just another charlatan with too much emotional hate on CBN. legality vs merits was another feudal argument. courts go by legalities - what is "merit" outside of law in a court ? And how can he argue against a merit of a case when CID did not even present any evidences against him ?

There is nowhere in the world an ex CM would be put in jail for months without evidence or conviction  but on the pretext that CID does not enough time to gather evidence and he will manipulate if he is out.

 I dont think you have any knowledge in this and neither did you gather them with any real interest. You get information from outright sanghis, feudals satifies your emotional hate and pretends you are better than them. You are trash .

[Telugodura456]

Just now, Raven_Rayes said:

time won't take care of that. its upto the anti-caste minded people to drive out all these self styled saviours of people and change the course of history.

left without any pushback, kammas/kapus etc will morph into exactly what they orginally claimed to be fighting against. may be even worse.

 

Every feudal fcker out there including you is gunning for kammas and coastal people. That includes the vilest people in the world like rss - whose side you bat on.

You pretend all this means nothing. you are trash fellow man.

[Telugodura456]

34 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

From actual books that I read, not some wiki page.

Zionism has its roots in a Russian jewish movement called Haskala which arose in the 1850s, to attempt to break from communal living and integrate into the Russian society. They were inspired by the idea of legal equality that western european jews seemingly enjoyed by then. Tsar Alexander II had relaxed a number of restrictive laws, like allowing jews to attend Russian universities, and provided hope to these idealists.

All this changed when the Tsar was assasinated and was replacdd by a conservative regime hostile to modernization and jewish integration. There was brutal attacks on Russian jews throughout which changed the Jewish modernists approach towards integration into Russia, and led a huge wave of about 1.5mil jews out of Russia. Majority moved to the US, but many of those attracted to Haskala movement moved to Palestine.

the movement changed its name to BILU - founded many agricultural communes that were later called the kibbutzim, a key embodiment of zionist principles.

a more spread out organization called Hibbat Zion (love of Zion) emerged in 1881 in Russia, and when they found life in Russia unbearable,emigrated to Palestine too. It is this organization that first envisaged Eretz Israel (land of Israel).

Theodore Herzi contributions to development of zionism were obvious, but he was originally aiming to be a leader for the jews to liberate them, because he naively believed that western europeans would be fair with jews. It changed when a french-jew Alfred Dreyfus was falsely accused of treason and sentenced, and the reaction of the French right is what led Herzi to first write the pamphlet that today many consider as the marking of beginning of zionism in 1895.

but zionist ideas had already begun by then, both in Russia and in Palestine. Herzi just called out for western european jews to join in too, inspite of the extraordinary lengths the French left went to defend Herzi, he never believed that jews would be safe in Europe.

 

its not from wikipedia - it is from every other source out there includes jews themselves - from ADL or encyclopedia. whatever bullshit stories you may have read from fascist sources - everyone can have stories - the material change came through british. The political doctrine from an austrian.

haskala mayhave an influence but not the start of anything. That way you can blame it on old testament itself.

Israel policies, culture is nothing if not western. It is a settler country like us or canada and part of west. only delusional moron will argue otherwise. No one will including israelis or russians or westerners or arabs.

[CanadianMalodu]

14 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

market oriented class.. lmao. people who are comfortable with the market, when it is favourable to them are not market oriented, they just control that market due to the vast advantages they were bequeathed because of being close to power, wealth or any such reasons.

handing out favourable overpriced govt contracts is not 'market'.. its a crony capitalist class.

yes they are better than feudals, no doubt. but there's no need to defend their bs too. Time to fcuk them and move forward.

Capitalism always had a crony element attached to it. Cronyism is always part of any power system. How is the new feudal rule working in Telangana ? No mainstream media can write an anti TRS story, contrast this with Baboru time and even YSR time, Vaartha can write their own stories, Sakshi used to write their own, Eenadu and Jyothi their own stories. 

Raithu Bandhu is the most feudal scheme ever. It's just to make lords richer than peasants. No productive crop needs to be grown, no effort, all you need is land deemed as farming land. It's the feudals that benefitted more from this year on year without while peasants are screwed up. 

Over priced is one thing , looting the entire surplus and piling debts is another thing. Kaleshwaram the a mad lift irrigation project, that didn't serve much of purpose. The project is set to fail from the start.