For the first time, my auditor (dad's old friend) who's muslim, spoke against Modi.

[Raven_Rayes]

two ids that are openly identifying themselves as from the sc castes @CanadianMalodu @bharathicement are both sanghis.

what a db!!!

disgusting.

[Teluguredu]

Most andhra turakollu are okaish ,telangana(hyderabadi) chuslims are terrorists and T.N ones are somewhere in the middle.

[baku_keku]

1 hour ago, Teluguredu said:

Most andhra turakollu are okaish ,telangana(hyderabadi) chuslims are terrorists and T.N ones are somewhere in the middle.

in TG, those from Old city kind of areas are illiterate,

In the balance parts, they are good and live in harmony, and no too much troubles.

[CanadianMalodu]

10 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

nobody identified themselves as 'nazi', but germans in the 40s were nazis.

almost every political opinion of yours seem to discount even the existence of muslims, or their need as individual human beings, as part of a group that is shamed every day by politicians you support.

you quack like a duck, you are a duck.

its just disgusting that you use your half caste Mala to spread such poison online. I guess that's what happens when people are interested more in caste revival, than being anti-caste. bunch of such idiots (from all the castes you mention about who escaped the harijan status pre 40s) roaming all around TamilNadu claiming imaginary valorious history about their caste, and sucking up to sanghis or Tamil nationalist scum. good luck.

I don't understand what's half caste? In a patriarchy you inherit your father's caste. As simple as that. There is no such thing as anti-caste or casteless. Caste is a social reality. Harijan stuff is made up by Gandhian principles. That's based on benevolence and acceptance. I reject the word his philosophy outrightly.  Sure, Malas have martial history just like Pallars and Mahars. It's muted for a long time though.  No sucking up to anyone. The only forward to capture power would be consolidating voting and building financial resources. I don't seek validation from anyone on this.

Nationalism is perse not a bad thing, as long as national states are a reality. Every nation state has a ethnic and religious identity, to mute that is a bad idea. 

[CanadianMalodu]

10 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

two ids that are openly identifying themselves as from the sc castes @CanadianMalodu @bharathicement are both sanghis.

what a db!!!

disgusting.

The problem is you have no tolerance from diversity in opinions. A very typical leftists view, who scream from diversity so long as that suits them.

[Teluguredu]

20 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

 

Nationalism is perse not a bad thing, as long as national states are a reality. Every nation state has a ethnic and religious identity, to mute that is a bad idea. 

Nationalism lol.india isn't even a nation in the first place ,it's just a country.

Why should telugu people get imposed with north indian indentity?it won't work anyway.

This country is completely diverse in terms of linguistics ,genetics ,food ,history etc..

Noone except for Brahmins and hyd muslims have any similarly with north indians whatsoever.

The only way this country is going to work is by giving states their autonomous power.the country should only take care of foreign affairs and army.

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

The problem is you have no tolerance from diversity in opinions. A very typical leftists view, who scream from diversity so long as that suits them.

what you spout here is not 'diversity of opinion', it is a dialed down version of what sanghis regularly assert, starting from blind allegiance to capitalism, and from which follows casual deletion of 'unwanted groups' that fight capitalism, of which muslims are but one of them.

what you are doing is to desperately justify your own sociopathy, in the name of pragmatism, because you intuitively understand which side of your bread is buttered (nothing to sing about really)

according to you, its neutral to call me 'leftist', which I'm not, given that I hate leftists with a passion, while you think calling you a sanghi means that I'm intolerant of opposing viewpoint.

what exactly is your viewpoint that you think is reasonable, and that can actually be engaged with? I mean, I understand that you want to make a lot of money, and be rich or something. If that is so, why are you on a discussion board? Why not go out into the world, and actually act like a capitalist, instead of giving gyan online? gyaan about the amazingness of the market - which is actually extremely distorted, etc.

most of these capitalist gyaanis are just that.. gyaanis who've never run businesses, or one's that have already become irrelevant in the business world.

 

 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

I don't understand what's half caste? In a patriarchy you inherit your father's caste. As simple as that. There is no such thing as anti-caste or casteless. Caste is a social reality. Harijan stuff is made up by Gandhian principles. That's based on benevolence and acceptance. I reject the word his philosophy outrightly.  Sure, Malas have martial history just like Pallars and Mahars. It's muted for a long time though.  No sucking up to anyone. The only forward to capture power would be consolidating voting and building financial resources. I don't seek validation from anyone on this.

Nationalism is perse not a bad thing, as long as national states are a reality. Every nation state has a ethnic and religious identity, to mute that is a bad idea. 

dude, what are you on about 'harijan'? I didn't call you that. I just said that nadars, vanniyars used to be considered harijans.

well, I'm casteless and anti-caste. You could say its easy for me since I was born into social privilege. From the crap you post in this db, it clearly looks you are born into privilege too, inspite of your caste, except you are sucked into believing that no one can escape patriarchy or the caste.

but somehow with capturing power, building financial resources (for your caste) will magically result in your caste being pushed into a higher status socially. But only as far as brahmins would allow you to rise btw.

you don't want to even destroy the system that kept your folks from being treated as equals with others, and instead want to participate in it.

you are that kind of cuck I guess, to your 'kulchar'.

atleast change your id. even malas who would probably agree with your outrageous delulsions about capturing power and social prestige would balk at your sucking up to the sanghi narrative, that malas should give up reservation and try to succeed in business..

the other day the owner of Adyar Ananda Bhavan praised Periyar for creating an environment for non-brahmin folks like him to succeed, in the food service business that was dominated by brahmins until even 70s. May be he should've praised folks from his own caste, because that's all one has to live for.. To push further one's caste identity in the hindu hierarchy.

I mean, what a pathetic way to live a life.. to subconsciously seek validation from the other Hindu castes about your caste status, while claiming that you don't.

individual is just the meatbag that carries the legacy of his/her caste, to you?

[Raven_Rayes]

56 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Nationalism lol.india isn't even a nation in the first place ,it's just a country.

Why should telugu people get imposed with north indian indentity?it won't work anyway.

This country is completely diverse in terms of linguistics ,genetics ,food ,history etc..

Noone except for Brahmins and hyd muslims have any similarly with north indians whatsoever.

The only way this country is going to work is by giving states their autonomous power.the country should only take care of foreign affairs and army.

bs. its not going to work anyway. just give it up. Telugu nationalism doesn't exist.

the regional nationalism that does exist in India are all dumb (Tamil Nationalism) and murderous (Assamese Nationalism).

 

[Teluguredu]

3 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

bs. its not going to work anyway. just give it up. Telugu nationalism doesn't exist.

the regional nationalism that does exist in India are all dumb (Tamil Nationalism) and murderous (Assamese Nationalism).

 

telugu is more real than india.india is a delusional fake identity.we need to un-brainwash our people or else we will be slaves in our own land.

[Raven_Rayes]

13 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

telugu is more real than india.india is a delusional fake identity.we need to un-brainwash our people or else we will be slaves in our own land.

telugu again is a collection of castes. Its not an inclusive identity.

its fine to have cultural affinity to Telugu, which includes people want to embrace Telugu identity, inspite of not being born to Telugu parents.

but Telugu nationalism as a political project would be a disaster. tg/ap discussion over and over.

Indian nationalism is somewhat more inclusive than the Telugu identity. the presence of sanghis has tainted India since its inception. may be one day sanghis are shut down ruthlessly, and India can show the world what a true liberal secular diverse nation would be like.

I know its not happening, but one can dream.

telugu nation is straight up scary to me. as is  tamil nation

[Teluguredu]

16 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

telugu again is a collection of castes. Its not an inclusive identity.

its fine to have cultural affinity to Telugu, which includes people want to embrace Telugu identity, inspite of not being born to Telugu parents.

but Telugu nationalism as a political project would be a disaster. tg/ap discussion over and over.

 

You can identify yourself as telugu but you can never be ethnically telugu without telugu ancestors.

First we need to gather ethnically telugu people together ,we can worry about foreign people embracing telugu identity later.

Many of telangana people aren't even telugu ,many of them don't even have telugu surnames ,they are related to kannada people and then marathi people.only some sub-castes of reddies and a few other caste people like munnuru kapus are ethnically telugu.(apart from andhra migrants like velamas,kammas  ofc) but still they have assimilated as telugus.

 

 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, Teluguredu said:

 

You can identify yourself as telugu but you can never be ethnically telugu without telugu ancestors.

First we need to gather ethnically telugu people together ,we can worry about foreign people embracing telugu identity later.

Many of telangana people aren't even telugu ,many of them don't even have telugu surnames ,they are related to kannada people and then marathi people.only some sub-castes of reddies and a few other caste people like munnuru kapus are ethnically telugu.

what's the point of this ethnic gathering of Telugu people?

and the 'telugu ancestors' part.. how far does one have to go to claim telugu ancestry? because a lot of ancestors kept changing their language and even castes.

for eg. my own cousins who identify themselves as karanam, grandfather actually pillais from TN/AP border from 70yrs ago, and the grandmom from velama. so is my cousin Telugu?

ofcourse he speaks perfect Telugu, even though he was raised in b'lore.

there's no point to this exercise of identifying of Telugus.

sometime during the formation of TamilNadu Annadurai mentioned that dravidianism is not an ethnic movement for Tamils, but we still accept the borders of TamilNadu, because we want to be able to differentiate ourselves from the varna obsessed India.

what's the reason for that 'Telugu nation'? apart from administrative convenience.

[Teluguredu]

9 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

what's the point of this ethnic gathering of Telugu people?

and the 'telugu ancestors' part.. how far does one have to go to claim telugu ancestry? because a lot of ancestors kept changing their language and even castes.

for eg. my own cousins who identify themselves as karanam, grandfather actually pillais from TN/AP border from 70yrs ago, and the grandmom from velama. so is my cousin Telugu?

ofcourse he speaks perfect Telugu, even though he was raised in b'lore.

there's no point to this exercise of identifying of Telugus.

sometime during the formation of TamilNadu Annadurai mentioned that dravidianism is not an ethnic movement for Tamils, but we still accept the borders of TamilNadu, because we want to be able to differentiate ourselves from the varna obsessed India.

what's the reason for that 'Telugu nation'? apart from administrative convenience.

Nation with people with more similarities will have better cohesion.

everyone who have telugu surnames and can't trace their ancestry to anything other than telugu.

Unity is strength and people with most similarities tend to be more united.basic logic.

 

[CanadianMalodu]

41 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

dude, what are you on about 'harijan'? I didn't call you that. I just said that nadars, vanniyars used to be considered harijans.

well, I'm casteless and anti-caste. You could say its easy for me since I was born into social privilege. From the crap you post in this db, it clearly looks you are born into privilege too, inspite of your caste, except you are sucked into believing that no one can escape patriarchy or the caste.

but somehow with capturing power, building financial resources (for your caste) will magically result in your caste being pushed into a higher status socially. But only as far as brahmins would allow you to rise btw.

you don't want to even destroy the system that kept your folks from being treated as equals with others, and instead want to participate in it.

you are that kind of cuck I guess, to your 'kulchar'.

atleast change your id. even malas who would probably agree with your outrageous delulsions about capturing power and social prestige would balk at your sucking up to the sanghi narrative, that malas should give up reservation and try to succeed in business..

the other day the owner of Adyar Ananda Bhavan praised Periyar for creating an environment for non-brahmin folks like him to succeed, in the food service business that was dominated by brahmins until even 70s. May be he should've praised folks from his own caste, because that's all one has to live for.. To push further one's caste identity in the hindu hierarchy.

I mean, what a pathetic way to live a life.. to subconsciously seek validation from the other Hindu castes about your caste status, while claiming that you don't.

individual is just the meatbag that carries the legacy of his/her caste, to you?

There is no such thing as 'casteless', you may say so only if you were not told by your parents or you were born orphan.

Patriarchy and caste are reality, regardless of whatever you believe. Infact patriarchy is backbone of many cultures that survived till date.

There are already those that do. I did that myself. That's the way how social groups prosper. Political capital will result in economic success. Embracing capitalism is the way forward. Brahmins and getting their acceptance is a non starter. It's not about fight for positioning in hierarchy. It's more about prospering as a social and cultural group. 

An individual carries multiple identities, those include caste, region, religion, ethnic, and national.