For the first time, my auditor (dad's old friend) who's muslim, spoke against Modi.

[Teluguredu]

10 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

what's the point of this ethnic gathering of Telugu people?

and the 'telugu ancestors' part.. how far does one have to go to claim telugu ancestry? because a lot of ancestors kept changing their language and even castes.

for eg. my own cousins who identify themselves as karanam, grandfather actually pillais from TN/AP border from 70yrs ago, and the grandmom from velama. so is my cousin Telugu?

ofcourse he speaks perfect Telugu, even though he was raised in b'lore.

there's no point to this exercise of identifying of Telugus.

sometime during the formation of TamilNadu Annadurai mentioned that dravidianism is not an ethnic movement for Tamils, but we still accept the borders of TamilNadu, because we want to be able to differentiate ourselves from the varna obsessed India.

what's the reason for that 'Telugu nation'? apart from administrative convenience.

Pillais and karanams are not castes lol.you can't change your caste like that.

[Teluguredu]

11 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

what's the point of this ethnic gathering of Telugu people?

and the 'telugu ancestors' part.. how far does one have to go to claim telugu ancestry? because a lot of ancestors kept changing their language and even castes.

for eg. my own cousins who identify themselves as karanam, grandfather actually pillais from TN/AP border from 70yrs ago, and the grandmom from velama. so is my cousin Telugu?

ofcourse he speaks perfect Telugu, even though he was raised in b'lore.

there's no point to this exercise of identifying of Telugus.

sometime during the formation of TamilNadu Annadurai mentioned that dravidianism is not an ethnic movement for Tamils, but we still accept the borders of TamilNadu, because we want to be able to differentiate ourselves from the varna obsessed India.

what's the reason for that 'Telugu nation'? apart from administrative convenience.

Pillais and karanams are not castes lol.you can't change your castes.karanams are mostly niyogi Brahmins or sometimes marathi Brahmins.

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, Teluguredu said:

Nation with most similarities will have better cohesion.

everyone who have telugu surnames and can't trace their ancestry to anything other than telugu.

Unity is strength and people with most similarities tend to be more united.basic logic.

yeah same logic @CanadianMalodu uses, except it is in service of his caste. I'd bet he'll agree with you too, once he's convinced that his caste will have a better future under your telugu nation than an Indian one.

but there's this little problem about vibrant diverse cities being better and more successful than rural areas full of ethnic sons of soil with great cultural cohesion - caste clashes, actually.

I know a city is different from a nation. A city is one of the most complex social physical civilizational achievement of humans, that can facilitate people of various caste, creed, religion to work together to keep its infrastructure and markets running.

whereas a nation is what? bunch of bored oldies with too much unearned power pretending to do something to keep the facade that they are in control?

 

[Raven_Rayes]

30 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Patriarchy and caste are reality, regardless of whatever you believe. Infact patriarchy is backbone of many cultures that survived till date.

well the hindu hierarchy is also a reality, one that you seem comfortable with

 

. and a bunch of money from some rich people from a caste, is not going to change the social order on that hierarchy, however much you want to claim that it does.

32 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

There are already those that do. I did that myself. That's the way how social groups prosper. Political capital will result in economic success. Embracing capitalism is the way forward.

why should anyone give a fcuk about whether malas prosper or not? I mean, you are separate group of people, and want to prosper separately no?

Also there are no malas in this db, right? who are you talking to, when you want to keep claiming whatever you are claiming?

36 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Brahmins and getting their acceptance is a non starter. It's not about fight for positioning in hierarchy. It's more about prospering as a social and cultural group. 

to what end? prospering more as a group, and then?? you still can only fit inside the hindu hierarchy that you seem to accept, or you have to fight against it. what other choice do you have?

[Raven_Rayes]

38 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Pillais and karanams are not castes lol.you can't change your castes.karanams are mostly niyogi Brahmins or sometimes marathi Brahmins.

I didn't say karanam is a caste. I know its a title. Like I said pillai + velama.

my cousin even learnt of his grandfather being born a pillai only because of a land litigation a few years ago, when he met his granddad's brother's kids.

where did that karanam come from? he doesn't know or care anyway.

[Raven_Rayes]

55 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

An individual carries multiple identities, those include caste, region, religion, ethnic, and national. 

and any identity that an individual carries that he can't shake off to reinvent himself at the time of his choosing, is not worth carrying.

caste, region, religion, ethnicity, nation are all weak identities that insecure people hold on to, to justify their pathetic existence, after they've already ticked off 'achievements' on their stupid lists.

 

[CanadianMalodu]

49 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

well the hindu hierarchy is also a reality, one that you seem comfortable with

 

. and a bunch of money from some rich people from a caste, is not going to change the social order on that hierarchy, however much you want to claim that it does.

why should anyone give a fcuk about whether malas prosper or not? I mean, you are separate group of people, and want to prosper separately no?

Also there are no malas in this db, right? who are you talking to, when you want to keep claiming whatever you are claiming?

to what end? prospering more as a group, and then?? you still can only fit inside the hindu hierarchy that you seem to accept, or you have to fight against it. what other choice do you have?

Why would I care if someone worries about it or not? Also why would I care if this db has some other malas? This forum is not a seat or power or authority to fight for.

39 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

and any identity that an individual carries that he can't shake off to reinvent himself at the time of his choosing, is not worth carrying.

caste, region, religion, ethnicity, nation are all weak identities that insecure people hold on to, to justify their pathetic existence, after they've already ticked off 'achievements' on their stupid lists.

 

Perspectives differ. If these are such weak identities then you would be seeing all mixed up world with no borders. It doesn't work that way, regardless of your utopian idea

[Telugodura456]

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

The problem is you have no tolerance from diversity in opinions. A very typical leftists view, who scream from diversity so long as that suits them.

@Tryad is a niether a leftist not any thing. He is a third rate jealous character who does not belong in any civilized society.

Like most third rate people he is driven by his jealousies and specifically his jealosy against andhras/kammas in this case. 

he will accept any trash if you package it saying it harms andhras or kammas ..because it directly panders to his jealousies.

[Telugodura456]

59 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

and any identity that an individual carries that he can't shake off to reinvent himself at the time of his choosing, is not worth carrying.

caste, region, religion, ethnicity, nation are all weak identities that insecure people hold on to, to justify their pathetic existence, after they've already ticked off 'achievements' on their stupid lists.

 

"Therefore I support telangana regionalism because it has been packaged as effecting interests of andhras/kammas. that has direct appeal to me"

[Telugodura456]

what is a telugu nation ? a people who communicate in telugu so as to live. It is one of the easiest definition out there.

When can you have a telugu state - when other things such as contiguous area with vast majority of telugu nation make it convenient for goverance.

Thats why most stable societies are language based including usa. But disoriented @Tryad acts it is a mystery that has no solution.

[Raven_Rayes]

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Why would I care if someone worries about it or not? Also why would I care if this db has some other malas? This forum is not a seat or power or authority to fight fo

How would I know why you'd care.. you are making contradictory claims about your intentions, and it's hard for me to keep up what you actually want. 

The only thing I understand is that you look down on leftists, and disapprove of their strategy of destroying caste. And you don't want that because you love your caste identity or some such sh1t. 

Reminds me of conversations I have with Tamil nationalists that still are in the process of figuring out their ideology, and only know that they should badmouth periyar and dravidianism. Pure reactionary stuff. 

 

[Raven_Rayes]

3 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

what is a telugu nation ? a people who communicate in telugu so as to live. It is one of the easiest definition out there.

When can you have a telugu state - when other things such as contiguous area with vast majority of telugu nation make it convenient for goverance.

Thats why most stable societies are language based including usa. But disoriented @Tryad acts it is a mystery that has no solution.

Telugu nation will be a nation full of idiots like you. Good luck

[Raven_Rayes]

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Perspectives differ. If these are such weak identities then you would be seeing all mixed up world with no borders. It doesn't work that way, regardless of your utopian idea

These identities create weak insecure men. That these identities are strong and popular says about the kind of men that live in this world. 

Feel free to live in that swamp surrounded by silly men that take themselves seriously because they got lucky. The competition in that swamp is high enough to keep you engaged and entertained

[CanadianMalodu]

16 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

How would I know why you'd care.. you are making contradictory claims about your intentions, and it's hard for me to keep up what you actually want. 

The only thing I understand is that you look down on leftists, and disapprove of their strategy of destroying caste. And you don't want that because you love your caste identity or some such sh1t. 

Reminds me of conversations I have with Tamil nationalists that still are in the process of figuring out their ideology, and only know that they should badmouth periyar and dravidianism. Pure reactionary stuff. 

 

 

What I want in political terms is simple. Political power for Malas and financial prosperity as a consequence. The tool is political capital as a result of consolidated voting. I very much prefer them in the Hindu fold than in Abrahamic fold. Conflicts are imminent with ruling class caste collations, but can be resolved electorally through bloc voting.  

Left doesn't respect individual rights, liberties and identities and even life. Marxist/Leninist and Maoist ideologies  hadn't worked anywhere in the world, except for making their leaders wealthy and absolutely powerful. They don't even have respect for democracy. When they took over the world had seen mass famines, slave camps be it USSR, China oh yeah Cuba, ** up in entirety under Castro. Capitalism gives people a ladder no matter how small that is to ascend to prosperity through sheer will and perseverance. No contest, I absolutely loath the left, and I'm willing to take up arms against them, should such a situation arise. 

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21 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

what is a telugu nation ? a people who communicate in telugu so as to live. It is one of the easiest definition out there.

When can you have a telugu state - when other things such as contiguous area with vast majority of telugu nation make it convenient for goverance.

Thats why most stable societies are language based including usa. But disoriented @Tryad acts it is a mystery that has no solution.

you mean Kulaa naadu?! Please don't include rest of Telugu speaking people...it's just a cover to fulfill Kulaanaadu...!