For the first time, my auditor (dad's old friend) who's muslim, spoke against Modi.

[Teluguredu]

1 hour ago, rushmore said:

you mean Kulaa naadu?! Please don't include rest of Telugu speaking people...it's just a cover to fulfill Kulaanaadu...! 

 

How man? They make up like 5% of Andhra ,it makes no sense.i am not a k but still a telugu guy first.

[Raven_Rayes]

10 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

 

What I want in political terms is simple. Political power for Malas and financial prosperity as a consequence. The tool is political capital as a result of consolidated voting. I very much prefer them in the Hindu fold than in Abrahamic fold. Conflicts are imminent with ruling class caste collations, but can be resolved electorally through bloc voting.  

Left doesn't respect individual rights, liberties and identities and even life. Marxist/Leninist and Maoist ideologies  hadn't worked anywhere in the world, except for making their leaders wealthy and absolutely powerful. They don't even have respect for democracy. When they took over the world had seen mass famines, slave camps be it USSR, China oh yeah Cuba, ** up in entirety under Castro. Capitalism gives people a ladder no matter how small that is to ascend to prosperity through sheer will and perseverance. No contest, I absolutely loath the left, and I'm willing to take up arms against them, should such a situation arise. 

no group respects individual rights. including your mala group, or whatever high thinking right wing group you are part of. All of them are gorreys.

some of them have power, and some of them don't. that's all.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

How man? They make up like 5% of Andhra ,it makes no sense.i am not a k but still a telugu guy first.

Yes....in their dream world they control everything while rest of us follow their lead because they think they're supreme.

[CanadianMalodu]

5 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

no group respects individual rights. including your mala group, or whatever high thinking right wing group you are part of. All of them are gorreys.

some of them have power, and some of them don't. that's all.

Individual rights are something constitutionally guarded in democratic countries. Communist countries never respected them anyways. Communist states never respected them as always. Power comes from holding financial resources and vice versa. As simple as that. I don't intend to call leftists gorreys, because sheep are not as dimwitted as leftists. No wonder they lost most of their hold except for few pockets in Telugu states. Left in Kerala needs to be politically decimated and I wish that happens soon.

[CanadianMalodu]

8 hours ago, rushmore said:

Yes....in their dream world they control everything while rest of us follow their lead because they think they're supreme.

This is unfortunately the view propagated by Telugu desham party.  In reality, the Kammas that control finances are like top 1% of their population so do Reddies. This is no different from Jats, Kurmis, Nairs, Vokkaliga, Patels.  The point being rest of caste population within their corresponding groupings always look up to their elite and hence the propagated feeling. 

[Guest]

Just now, CanadianMalodu said:

This is unfortunately the view propagated by Telugu desham party.  In reality, the Kammas that control finances are like top 1% of their population so do Reddies. This is no different from Jats, Kurmis, Nairs, Vokkaliga, Patels.  The point being rest of caste population within their corresponding groupings always look up to their elite and hence the propagated feeling. 

It's their fault ultimately....they still live in the same deluded world. They're still unwilling to acknowledge the reality.

[Raven_Rayes]

On 10/28/2023 at 10:58 AM, CanadianMalodu said:

Individual rights are something constitutionally guarded in democratic countries. Communist countries never respected them anyways. Communist states never respected them as always. Power comes from holding financial resources and vice versa. As simple as that. I don't intend to call leftists gorreys, because sheep are not as dimwitted as leftists. No wonder they lost most of their hold except for few pockets in Telugu states. Left in Kerala needs to be politically decimated and I wish that happens soon.

its clear you have a very unsophisticated, child like understanding of what communism is, conceptually. not surprising for a cultural right winger. Right wingers who stick to analysis of systems dispassionately do a much better job in identifying the problems and proposing solutions for it.

like for eg. property rights is a minefield in capitalist structures, outside of the gorrey group (urban/semi-urban desh bhakt scum). take for eg. tribal rights for their land under capitalism, which quickly devolves into tyrannies with list of permissible ad-hoc restrictions and rules on the basis of general ownership claims of the land.

we have tribal councils, and reserve lands that doesn't focus on creating reciprocal settlements with whom they consider as 'outsiders' that recognizes consistent free movement for all parties, and instead we have decolonization movements demanding special privileges  and group-level rights and impositions on other people they consider as 'outsiders'.

in contrast, nominally leftist ideologies that vibe with communism (not socialism, welfare statism etc) have the opportunity to create communism in the favour of individual producers on that land, far closer to the spirit of individual proprietorship in capitalism than the current crap we have under capitalism  for these structures.

why haven't they done it, you may ask. Its not that easy with people like you who are so confident about the power of capitalism to solve social problems, while having zero clue about what the problem actually is, even. You'll want that tribal person to learn java programming and get on with the world. That's about the understanding you have of how power works. like that of a child trying to impress his father - the billionaires in the system.

anyway. its a waste of your time and my time, if you are going to quote USSR, Cuba as examples of communism. I myself, am not a communist, nor its sympathizer. I'm an individualist anarchist that don't give a fcuk to any groups. I just think capitalism is a joke. communism slightly better at providing frameworks to solve more problems, but not perfect.

 

 

[CanadianMalodu]

21 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

its clear you have a very unsophisticated, child like understanding of what communism is, conceptually. not surprising for a cultural right winger. Right wingers who stick to analysis of systems dispassionately do a much better job in identifying the problems and proposing solutions for it.

like for eg. property rights is a minefield in capitalist structures, outside of the gorrey group (urban/semi-urban desh bhakt scum). take for eg. tribal rights for their land under capitalism, which quickly devolves into tyrannies with list of permissible ad-hoc restrictions and rules on the basis of general ownership claims of the land.

we have tribal councils, and reserve lands that doesn't focus on creating reciprocal settlements with whom they consider as 'outsiders' that recognizes consistent free movement for all parties, and instead we have decolonization movements demanding special privileges  and group-level rights and impositions on other people they consider as 'outsiders'.

in contrast, nominally leftist ideologies that vibe with communism (not socialism, welfare statism etc) have the opportunity to create communism in the favour of individual producers on that land, far closer to the spirit of individual proprietorship in capitalism than the current crap we have under capitalism  for these structures.

why haven't they done it, you may ask. Its not that easy with people like you who are so confident about the power of capitalism to solve social problems, while having zero clue about what the problem actually is, even. You'll want that tribal person to learn java programming and get on with the world. That's about the understanding you have of how power works. like that of a child trying to impress his father - the billionaires in the system.

anyway. its a waste of your time and my time, if you are going to quote USSR, Cuba as examples of communism. I myself, am not a communist, nor its sympathizer. I'm an individualist anarchist that don't give a fcuk to any groups. I just think capitalism is a joke. communism slightly better at providing frameworks to solve more problems, but not perfect.

 

 

#1 We still don't have true capitalist system in agriculture. There is no real free market and the system that meant to profit farmers.  Most of the junk system is a socialist doing. This system only favours middlemen and those that control the state power.  Farm laws would have changed that, but alas, disruptive forces both external and internal created a panic in the Punjab based farming community. Very early days of left in India, what you said was true. From the time of liberalization it's left that actively engaged in land encroachment using landless masses and then in turn used the land for their own benefit while the land less remained landless. Encroachment of public or government property and then legalization it was all that was done.

 

#2 Capitalism is not utopia. It's never meant to be that way. It still provided a way for the people in the world to break the shackles of serfdom steering individuals guided by their free will( probably not in absolute terms, but still to a large extent). I'm not a techie and it's funny you talk about tribal child learning jawa. If the child did wilfully learn it, it's supposedly a good thing as he or she can lift their landless present/serf family from dire circumstances. Creating a financial base is imperative in a collectivist social groups to build political and social capital. 

 

#3 Actual problem has always been about control over resources and means of production. The tussle comes when control is made absolute like in Communist societies making those that out of power and effective serf. Capitalism will still leave a way for an individual to prosper atleast to an extent. One can achieve an upper Middle lifestyle, not necessarily be a billionaire, that's another game altogether.

 

#Individual anarchist? How hypocritical of you. On one side, you say communism  helps solve problems, and then you claim to be an anarchist. Communism will not tolerate anarchy, as system is build on centralization of authority. Any dissent will be met with absolute brute force and individual freedoms will never have a chance. Democratic capitalist structures will still have same problems but not to the extent of Communist societies. USSR to date remains the most vivid example as to how Communist society was meant to work. If you disregard it, I doubt if you can even comprehend how communism can manifest in reality.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 We still don't have true capitalist system in agriculture. There is no real free market and the system that meant to profit farmers.  Most of the junk system is a socialist doing. This system only favours middlemen and those that control the state power.  Farm laws would have changed that, but alas, disruptive forces both external and internal created a panic in the Punjab based farming community. Very early days of left in India, what you said was true. From the time of liberalization it's left that actively engaged in land encroachment using landless masses and pushed and then in turn used the land for their own benefit while the land less remained landless. Encroachment of public or government property and then legalization it was all that was done.

 

#2 Capitalism is not utopia. It's never meant to be that way. It still provided a way for the people in the world to break the shackles of serfdom steering individuals guided by their free will( probably not in absolute terms, but still to a large extent). I'm not a techie and it's funny you talk about tribal child learning jawa. If the child did wilfully learn it, it's supposedly a good thing as he or she can lift their landless present/serf family from dire circumstances. Creating a financial base is imperative in a collectivist social groups to build political and social capital. 

 

#3 Actual problem has always been about control over resources and means of production. The tussle comes when control is made absolute like in Communist societies making those that out of power and effective serf. Capitalism will still leave a way for an individual to prosper atleast to an extent. One can achieve an upper Middle lifestyle, not necessarily be a billionaire, that's another game altogether.

 

#Individual anarchist? How hypocritical of you. On one side, you say communism  helps solve problems, and then you claim to be an anarchist. Communism will not tolerate anarchy, as system is build on centralization of authority. Any dissent will be met with absolute brute force and individual freedoms will never have a chance. Democratic capitalist structures will still have same problems but not to the extent of Communist societies. USSR to date remains the most vivid example as to how Communist society was meant to work. If you disregard it, I doubt if you can even comprehend how communism can manifest in reality.

 

dude, you didn't understand anything I said. have a good day.

[Telugodura456]

On 10/27/2023 at 2:41 PM, rushmore said:

you mean Kulaa naadu?! Please don't include rest of Telugu speaking people...it's just a cover to fulfill Kulaanaadu...! 

 

india is your kula naadu not telugu land.

[Telugodura456]

On 10/26/2023 at 9:33 PM, Raven_Rayes said:

Telugu nation will be a nation full of idiots like you. Good luck

lo..mind fcked caste jealous guy.

[Telugodura456]

3 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 We still don't have true capitalist system in agriculture. There is no real free market and the system that meant to profit farmers.  Most of the junk system is a socialist doing. This system only favours middlemen and those that control the state power.  Farm laws would have changed that, but alas, disruptive forces both external and internal created a panic in the Punjab based farming community. Very early days of left in India, what you said was true. From the time of liberalization it's left that actively engaged in land encroachment using landless masses and then in turn used the land for their own benefit while the land less remained landless. Encroachment of public or government property and then legalization it was all that was done.

 

#2 Capitalism is not utopia. It's never meant to be that way. It still provided a way for the people in the world to break the shackles of serfdom steering individuals guided by their free will( probably not in absolute terms, but still to a large extent). I'm not a techie and it's funny you talk about tribal child learning jawa. If the child did wilfully learn it, it's supposedly a good thing as he or she can lift their landless present/serf family from dire circumstances. Creating a financial base is imperative in a collectivist social groups to build political and social capital. 

 

#3 Actual problem has always been about control over resources and means of production. The tussle comes when control is made absolute like in Communist societies making those that out of power and effective serf. Capitalism will still leave a way for an individual to prosper atleast to an extent. One can achieve an upper Middle lifestyle, not necessarily be a billionaire, that's another game altogether.

 

#Individual anarchist? How hypocritical of you. On one side, you say communism  helps solve problems, and then you claim to be an anarchist. Communism will not tolerate anarchy, as system is build on centralization of authority. Any dissent will be met with absolute brute force and individual freedoms will never have a chance. Democratic capitalist structures will still have same problems but not to the extent of Communist societies. USSR to date remains the most vivid example as to how Communist society was meant to work. If you disregard it, I doubt if you can even comprehend how communism can manifest in reality.

 

no point engaging with that turd @Tryad - he is neither communist nor arachist nor anything.  Just a jaffa troll with kullu against andhra people. After a point his trolling mentality becomes clear.

[Raven_Rayes]

14 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

no point engaging with that turd @Tryad - he is neither communist nor arachist nor anything.  Just a jaffa troll with kullu against andhra people. After a point his trolling mentality becomes clear.

guy who thinks gdp indicates production is chiming in.

dumbfcuk gtfo. go suck kamma a$$ if that's what you like. others have better things to suck on.

[Telugodura456]

2 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

guy who thinks gdp indicates production is chiming in.

dumbfcuk gtfo. go suck kamma a$$ if that's what you like. others have better things to suck on.

@CanadianMalodu he thinks GDP is not an index of production LOL. And guess what - he is proud of this ignorance.

This is the trash you are dealing with. he will take  you through meaningless inanities and then finally settle in to jaffa style trolling.

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, Telugodura456 said:

@CanadianMalodu he thinks GDP is not an index of production LOL. And guess what - he is proud of this ignorance.

This is the trash you are dealing with. he will take  you through meaningless inanities and then finally settle in to jaffa style trolling.

@CanadianMalodu thinks USSR is communist, and probably thinks China is communist too. I don't think he understood a thing I said. but atleast he has the decency to keep the conversation civil, without resorting to vile personal attacks, and whining about caste like you do.

you have zero shame.