How KCR and KTR re-built Hyderabad image and made it 1000 times better than what Andhra CMs had achieved

[Teluguredu]

1 minute ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Foundation stone doesn't mean 'started'. By that logic, polavaram credit should got to CM Anjiah who laid it's foundation back in 1980.

Same logic should be applied for Orr and airport as well.

[CanadianMalodu]

1 hour ago, Teluguredu said:

Same logic should be applied for Orr and airport as well.

Not necessarily. Laying foundation stone is 'ceremonial' in nature, whereas getting an idea conceptualized and pushing it towards execution, is different.

Baboru back in 1996, t initiated the construction of a new greenfield international airport at Shamshabad. His government  declared a special development area and called it as Hyderabad Airport Development Authority (HADA). HADA covers around 458 km2 in the south-western periphery of the Metropolitan. The master plan of HADA was prepared in 2003 covering 458 square kilometres for the promotion of an International Airport surrounding with ancillary economic activities such as a cargo hub, aviation engineering hub, free trade zone, luxury hotels, residential apartments, and other additional services to make the enclave a growth centre. The plan was to have the region connected to the core of the city by radial roads and by an expressway link to Cyberabad. There was proposal to even have a metro link train. A change of power happened in 2004, when things are coming to fruition and YSR took over and changed the name to Rajiv Gandhi International airport to cement Congress legacy. 

ORR as an idea was conceived by Baboru. It's YSR who got the alignment changed(https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/hc-quashes-orr-i-land-acquisition/articleshow/6527824.cms) Read it from the organization who had the fast tags and  toll systems put in place on ORR

.https://www.efkonindia.com/case-study-hyderabad-outer-ring-road-project.php?CaseStudies&HORR

 

 

[venkappa]

13 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Then you clearly have no idea. Sure, Baboru did take some tracts of land but no way in comparison to what Dora and his benamis robbed the state. Heck, a useless project was built to the tune of 70,000 Cr called Kaleshwaram and it's set to fail. Land Kabjas and settlements are at an all time high in current Doras government. The entire west Hyderabad belt was set of small villages when Baboru and his financiers took the land at cheaper prices, but still they created a value that even general public benefitted from. Unlike Dora and his henchmen who are only to kabja and grab.

Baboru and his trusted set of advisors like JA chowdari were instrumental in setting up anchor companies like Wipro, followed by Microsoft. It's him who got ISB to Hyderabad and established IIIT, directly by allotting the then Ranga Reddy Collectorate office to IIIT without any delays. It's only after that many others companies followed that route to Hyderabad including the likes of Google.

You drag Bangalore and Chennai into comparison, but you conveniently forget that both were much bigger economies before 2004, Chennai has a port and a lot of manufacturing going for it and Bangalore already has a established IT scene. To sell Hyderabad to investors who were looking at Bangalore,Chennai and Mumbai and gain investment in itself was a big deal. He had done that successfully. Dora and his rioters created law and order situation in Hyderabad and did hafta vasool in the name of T agitation and then Chinna Dora entered scene after Telangana formation and is selling the established Hyderabad to investors again. It's exactly the same as what Baboru did but many times easier.  Baboru before 2004 is a different man. Unfortunately, that Baboru was dead after he moved to Amaravathi in what's a biggest blunder and came under too much influence of real estate lobby. 

 

2 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

By your logic cyber towers(I.T)and metro should go into congress quota since they have started them.

Truth is no regional leader can change the scope of entire cities without extended support from centre for a long time.hyderabad got a lot of investment much before baboru because of lobbying by congress leaders like kbr who brought major industries like BHEL,IDPL(reason for Telugu businessmen dominating Pharma) etc.. and suppresed any agitation with no second thoughts and it was one of the major cities in India even then(top 5 GDP) because of being nizam capital ,it was in the plans of centre to make hyderabad a I.T hub before baboru even became the C.M.Baboru did nothing more than a standard cm.

 

2 hours ago, aakathaai78912 said:

Lol Chemba didnt do even 10% of what KCR and KTR have done. They didnt give away free lands n perks for body shop service centers like Chemba . They brought in actual development centers of so many reputed companies and established a start up hub to create an eco system. Hyderabad organically until 2008 then from 2014 after TRS came to power the growth zoomed like crazy.

Lots of the state development is heavily dependent on its relation or stake with central govt. If Delhi leaders have good relation with state leaders or have political/economic interest in that area, they will use their power to help it grow. 

Sandranna had good relations with Vajpayee govt and that help him get more funds to develop state. Razanna had good relations with Sonia govt so that help him get more projects completed in the state. TG has both national parties presence and strong economy, so Modi govt has interest in TG.

This is also seen in other states. Tamil Nadu highest growth period was during Kamaraj Congress rule. Karnataka and Maharashtra are economic goldmines for national parties, plus national party presence. Gujarat has so many projects and investments allotted to them because Modi-Shah BJP inner circle connection.Kerala highest period of growth was during Sonia govt when they had so many Mallu bureaucrats.

Of course Delhi can also break states. Tamil Nadu lost so much development opportunities because MGR, Karunanidhi, Jayalalitha and other Dravidian party leaders kept pissing off Delhi. Andhra is screwed because Delhi refuses to deal with caste-dominated family dynasty parties like TDP and YCP. They rather watch both parties grovel for scraps. 

[CanadianMalodu]

1 minute ago, venkappa said:

 

 

Lots of the state development is heavily dependent on its relation or stake with central govt. If Delhi leaders have good relation with state leaders or have political/economic interest in that area, they will use their power to help it grow. 

Sandranna had good relations with Vajpayee govt and that help him get more funds to develop state. Razanna had good relations with Sonia govt so that help him get more projects completed in the state. TG has both national parties presence and strong economy, so Modi govt has interest in TG.

This is also seen in other states. Tamil Nadu highest growth period was during Kamaraj Congress rule. Karnataka and Maharashtra are economic goldmines for national parties, plus national party presence. Gujarat has so many projects and investments allotted to them because Modi-Shah BJP inner circle connection.Kerala highest period of growth was during Sonia govt when they had so many Mallu bureaucrats.

Of course Delhi can also break states. Tamil Nadu lost so much development opportunities because MGR, Karunanidhi, Jayalalitha and other Dravidian party leaders kept pissing off Delhi. Andhra is screwed because Delhi refuses to deal with caste-dominated family dynasty parties like TDP and YCP. They rather watch both parties grovel for scraps. 

Caste has always been a part of politics regardless of regional or national parties. It's always about finding a balance. The problem that BJP has in Andhra is it's unable to build a base on its own. The vaccum is simply not there. To build a base it requires, them to have some vaccum where they can penetrate in. It only happens when TDP dies out for them at this point of time because, the voter base is almost aligned by legacy. It's mostly BCs that stood by TDP and BJP wants that share. It also wants the might of rich Kammas as well. It doesn't want to replace YCP because Reddies by and large are Congress loyalists, though there are a few in BJP, TDP and TRS that's the legacy. Things have changed after YSR death and they moved to Jagan's side and then a large of christians mostly converts don't like BJP. They can handle this only after seizing some power in AP. They anyway got hold of Jagan due to his cases and he is easy to toy with than with Baboru legally a hard nut to crack. It's Just like how they are dealing with Dora in Telangana. This is why TDP has now aligned with Congress. It's an existential battle for them.

[vincent]

See , the fact is that construction and inauguration of ORR , airport and pvnr expressway was done only during upa time . It is clear from the names of the projects right. 

[Teluguredu]

8 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Not necessarily. Laying foundation stone is 'ceremonial' in nature, whereas getting an idea conceptualized and pushing it towards execution, is different.

Baboru back in 1996, t initiated the construction of a new greenfield international airport at Shamshabad. His government  declared a special development area and called it as Hyderabad Airport Development Authority (HADA). HADA covers around 458 km2 in the south-western periphery of the Metropolitan. The master plan of HADA was prepared in 2003 covering 458 square kilometres for the promotion of an International Airport surrounding with ancillary economic activities such as a cargo hub, aviation engineering hub, free trade zone, luxury hotels, residential apartments, and other additional services to make the enclave a growth centre. The plan was to have the region connected to the core of the city by radial roads and by an expressway link to Cyberabad. There was proposal to even have a metro link train. A change of power happened in 2004, when things are coming to fruition and YSR took over and changed the name to Rajiv Gandhi International airport to cement Congress legacy. 

ORR as an idea was conceived by Baboru. It's YSR who got the alignment changed(https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/hc-quashes-orr-i-land-acquisition/articleshow/6527824.cms) Read it from the organization who had the fast tags and  toll systems put in place on ORR

.https://www.efkonindia.com/case-study-hyderabad-outer-ring-road-project.php?CaseStudies&HORR

 

 

  The idea of cyber towers was pushed by congress first , but the IT area lands were eaten by babu and binamis, this logic isn't even consistent.the concept of IT itself was started by congress in hyderabad.its a step by step process just baboru was in the prime position by the time 1991 reforms happened .banglore had a bit of headstart but everything accelerated after 1991.even the people going to u.s increased because of increased wealth among masses due to LPG reforms.

 

And babu wasn't even in the scene of metro, for example chevireddy Bhaskar reddy proposed the exact Srinivasa setu bridge in tirupati 15  years ago ,will the credit go to him?lol.

 

[venkappa]

6 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Caste has always been a part of politics regardless of regional or national parties. It's always about finding a balance. The problem that BJP has in Andhra is it's unable to build a base on its own. The vaccum is simply not there. To build a base it requires, them to have some vaccum where they can penetrate in. It only happens when TDP dies out for them at this point of time because, the voter base is almost aligned by legacy. It's mostly BCs that stood by TDP and BJP wants that share. It also wants the might of rich Kammas as well. It doesn't want to replace YCP because Reddies by and large are Congress loyalists, though there are a few in BJP, TDP and TRS that's the legacy. Things have changed after YSR death and they moved to Jagan's side and then a large of christians mostly converts don't like BJP. They can handle this only after seizing some power in AP. They anyway got hold of Jagan due to his cases and he is easy to toy with than with Baboru legally a hard nut to crack. It's Just like how they are dealing with Dora in Telangana. This is why TDP has now aligned with Congress. It's an existential battle for them.

BJP has no political gain in Andhra as of right now. They are happy to watch the janalu fight each other for scraps and vote for caste parties. Rumour was that Zaganna's entry and subsequent popularity among his caste folk in Seemandhra may have motivated Congress to split the state.

What Im trying to say is that Delhi influence can make or break a state. Best not to piss them off like Brothergoru did in 1980s.

[CanadianMalodu]

5 hours ago, venkappa said:

BJP has no political gain in Andhra as of right now. They are happy to watch the janalu fight each other for scraps and vote for caste parties. Rumour was that Zaganna's entry and subsequent popularity among his caste folk in Seemandhra may have motivated Congress to split the state.

What Im trying to say is that Delhi influence can make or break a state. Best not to piss them off like Brothergoru did in 1980s.

Gain doesn't come unless there is a vaccum. They tried to patch up with Baboru, but Baboru went with Congress last time. That's a direct threat to Modi and Shah. This time Baboru tried to patch up with them. Behind the scenes, Baboru lobbied using purandeshwari, Ramoji among notables but BJP is bent on MP seats. Hearsay is that BJP asked for 12 MP seats if it we're to ally with TDP. Baboru can't afford it as means literally clipping its own wings on a central stage and a complete surrender. 

Motivation can be based on multiple reasons. But it became a reality partly because of Baboru again. The so called apara Chanikya Baboru did make a stupid stance 'rendu prantalu, rendu kallu', gave a letter to  UPA's centre  'memu telangana ki vyathirekam kadhu' to pacify telangana TDP leaders. Jagan here took a firm stance of united Andhra Pradesh. Baboru had a chance to stop it single handedly because he had electoral numbers then, only Congress and Bjp were pro partition. They would not have dared if Baboru said a firm no. Had YSR been alive, there would have been no Telangana. Only in the power vaccum of Congress, Rosiah was appointed as a CM, but he was too old and not a bold man to run the show. This was when Dora and his dacoits took advantage created all the ruckus. They set people on fire by dousing in petrol invoking sentiment. They made OU students to do hungama and pushed govt. employees to go on strike. Had Kiran Kumar reddi been the CM at that point of time instead of Rosiah, then none of this would have happened. No 'sakala janula Sammey' no stupid theatrics. Kiran Kumar reddi thwarted most of it, but by then High command made a statement and was forced to stand by it. 

He has a loyal base for him even in Telangana and won an MP seat from Khammam on YSRCP ticket. He could have won more if he concentrated on other areas of Telangana. But the family feuds and distribution of power made him to give up Telangana to Sharmila, and she proved to be disastrous.