Why TDP(YellowMedia) fingering into TG Politics??

[venkappa]

14 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Yes there are good many reddi landlords or Doras in Telangana. Seema areas and telangana districts border seema will more or less have same sorts of cultural inclination say Mahboonagar and Kurnool. Even JC reddi brothers have their family origins in Telangana, although they are now in Tadipatri. You don't see the same level of cultural exchange between telangana and Andhra Reddies.  

This feudal culture among inland Reddies was one reason as to why many BCs choose Telugu desham party during veru early days of formation. The same culture has created the differences in approach to enterprise among Reddies. You are likely to find many first and second generation reddi businessmen from Andhra and some from Seema, due to contracting and leasing opportunities. 

Guntur had some of that feudal culture with Palnadu and other kingdoms. But it also has lots of entrepreneurial folks. Interesting place.

Seema Cheddys used to be called Cops.

[venkappa]

On 11/28/2023 at 3:13 PM, CanadianMalodu said:

Yes there are good many reddi landlords or Doras in Telangana. Seema areas and telangana districts border seema will more or less have same sorts of cultural inclination say Mahboonagar and Kurnool. Even JC reddi brothers have their family origins in Telangana, although they are now in Tadipatri. You don't see the same level of cultural exchange between telangana and Andhra Reddies.  

This feudal culture among inland Reddies was one reason as to why many BCs choose Telugu desham party during veru early days of formation. The same culture has created the differences in approach to enterprise among Reddies. You are likely to find many first and second generation reddi businessmen from Andhra and some from Seema, due to contracting and leasing opportunities. 

What cultural differences between TG and Seema?

[bharathicement]

On 11/28/2023 at 5:40 PM, Teluguredu said:

Andhra reddies are richer , especially from Nellore and guntur but telangana and rayalaseema ones dominate more in politics and influence,almost have a monopoly in both regions.regardless of the party in power ,they will be getting 35-40% seats in telangana and 50% in rayalaseema and can influence a lot of reserved constituencies as well.

 

I don't know about this rank thing.

 

On 11/28/2023 at 7:00 PM, CanadianMalodu said:

No. Kammas are not a unified caste for a long time. There are sub categories like Pedda Kamma, Chinna Kamma, Gampa Kamma. Pedda Kammas typically had more acreage, more zamindars. The title chowdary was initially used by such people. Some even had ruled certain areas of Andhra and certain areas of Tamil nadu. The unity was build in the post independence period by Kamma elites to capture political power. This required large mobilization of Kamma peasant class. Since, Kamma peasantry from Godavari and Krishna deltas benefitted from Sir Arthur Cotton's irrigation projects, they used agararian surplus to propel into enterprise activities. Gradually the difference went away and intermarriages have become more common where wealth and political clout came to prominence. The title chowdary is being used by many Kammas from Andhra and some areas of Telangana (Khammam, Nizamabad) as a caste title these days regardless of their origin, is a result of unification. Still there are poor Kammas as well in Godavari delta areas and even in dry belt areas of Rayalseema and Tungabadhra Karnataka.  Even if your were to consider so called current bigwigs like Baboru, he started with 2acres of land, Vemuri Radhakrishna started at bottom, so did Ramoji Rao. Akkineni Nageshwara Rao family (of course his wife is richer) is not very well to do family either, even Rajamouli for that matter. Of course, he now claims they have had large acreage, that's a different story. 

Kapus cannot emulate such unity because  their inter branch differences are way too many across the regions, and Kapu elites even though dreamt of doing something similar, there action plans lacked conviction. There were two instances were they were very close to capturing power, one at the hey days of Vangaveeti Mohan Ranga, and then during the time of Chiranjeevi when other castes choose to side with them. However, it  didn't turn out that way as one was killed and the other did a  political suicide. 

BCs are not a caste but are mere congregation of multiple castes  in one category. Some are way higher than others and at par with land holding castes like Kammas and Reddies like Yadavs, Gouds in GHMC areas. Some like Munnuru Kapus don't identify more with BCs in reality and align with their Kapus brethren. Some of them even served as Patel in feudal telangana before NTR abolished this system.  Koppula Velama falls into BC in Andhra but are more of sub branch of Velamas. Castes in BC's also don't intermarry among themselves, I mean across castes so there is not much of a unifying factor for them. 

 

On 11/28/2023 at 8:56 PM, Bendapudi_english said:

Chiranjeevi party unchithe current scenario lo pakka CM ayevadu ane vadilo nenu kuda anna. And, also I think nuvu oka vargani to the core hate chesthunav anipisthundhi ni posts chusthe, so emi chepinna niku nachadhu jagan gadu endhuku povalo power lo nunchi 

 

4 minutes ago, venkappa said:

What cultural differences between TG and Seema?

OKKATI maatram baaga ardham ayyindi bros..

This cassette sh!t is so deep rooted in AP that it looks like it will never go away. Probably another British Empire kind of foreign intrusion might reduce and affect a bit.

But in balance of all probabilities, I can vouch -- AP will be a gone case.

[venkappa]

3 hours ago, bharathicement said:

 

 

 

OKKATI maatram baaga ardham ayyindi bros..

This cassette sh!t is so deep rooted in AP that it looks like it will never go away. Probably another British Empire kind of foreign intrusion might reduce and affect a bit.

But in balance of all probabilities, I can vouch -- AP will be a gone case.

Thats why rajakeeya nayakulu play these caste games in AP. Janalu propagate it and fall for it. To its credit, Karnataka is not caste pichi.

[CanadianMalodu]

4 hours ago, venkappa said:

Thats why rajakeeya nayakulu play these caste games in AP. Janalu propagate it and fall for it. To its credit, Karnataka is not caste pichi.

Just like every state in India Karnataka too has caste polarization.  You see Gowdas to rally behind JDS and now Congress. Lingayaths to rally behind BJP. Shettys are split but as are more costal they are inclined to vote BJP in urban areas. SCs aligned with Congress, Kurubas rallied behind Siddiramiah. I can go on. What perhaps is absent in karnataka is open display of loyalties and celebrating their leaders. Other than that AP is not as bad per se.

8 hours ago, bharathicement said:

 

 

 

OKKATI maatram baaga ardham ayyindi bros..

This cassette sh!t is so deep rooted in AP that it looks like it will never go away. Probably another British Empire kind of foreign intrusion might reduce and affect a bit.

But in balance of all probabilities, I can vouch -- AP will be a gone case.

It's the other way around. Caste awareness is very high in Andhra and feudalism still rules in hinterland Telangana.  Try fighting any one caste person in Andhra, you will see a group of their caste men immediately throwing their support behind them. This is not just about Kammas, Kapus every other caste say Rajus, chettibalijas, Malas.  I can speak of Andhra, specifically Godavari districts  where people became free of their dependence on land owing castes very early on, but it appears not to be the case in interior Telangana. 

Also, Rayalseema is still not at par with Andhra in that sense. AP by the strength of its fertile deltas, and ports is one of the best states in India. It may be lacking in MNC investments to the extent of Hyderabad, but the rural belt of Andhra (not Seema) is way ahead of Telengana. 

 

[Teluguredu]

13 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Just like every state in India Karnataka too has caste polarization.  You see Gowdas to rally behind JDS and now Congress. Lingayaths to rally behind BJP. Shettys are split but as are more costal they are inclined to vote BJP in urban areas. SCs aligned with Congress, Kurubas rallied behind Siddiramiah. I can go on. What perhaps is absent in karnataka is open display of loyalties and celebrating their leaders. Other than that AP is not as bad per se.

It's the other way around. Caste awareness is very high in Andhra and feudalism still rules in hinterland Telangana.  Try fighting any one caste person in Andhra, you will see a group of their caste men immediately throwing their support behind them. This is not just about Kammas, Kapus every other caste say Rajus, chettibalijas, Malas.  I can speak of Andhra, specifically Godavari districts  where people became free of their dependence on land owing castes very early on, but it appears not to be the case in interior Telangana. 

Also, Rayalseema is still not at part with Andhra in that sense. AP by the strength of its fertile deltas, and ports is one of the best states in India. It may be lacking in MNC investments to the extent of Hyderabad, but the rural belt of Andhra (not Seema) is way ahead of Telengana. 

 

Even in seema, chittoor is okaish only the faction infested regions especially kurnool and anantapur are extremely backward.

Worst-

Anantapur

Kurnool 

North andhra

 

Bad-okaish-

Prakasham

Kadapa

Guntur 

Chitoor

 

Good-

Godavari

Nellore

Krishna

 

Based on per capita income and literacy rate

 

Most industries are only concetrated in vizag and tirupati.these are the only cosmopolitan regions in andhra.

[venkappa]

12 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

Even in seema, chittoor is okaish only the faction infested regions especially kurnool and anantapur are extremely backward.

Worst-

Anantapur

Kurnool 

North andhra

 

Bad-okaish-

Prakasham

Kadapa

Guntur 

Chitoor

 

Good-

Godavari

Nellore

Krishna

 

Based on per capita income and literacy rate

 

Most industries are only concetrated in vizag and tirupati.these are the only cosmopolitan regions in andhra.

Some parts of Guntur are good. ATP and UA are quite impoverished. 

Krishna is richest widespread. Vizag rich because city.

Also depends how many powerful leaders does your district produce. Krishna, Guntur, and maybe Chittoor dominate like that.

[venkappa]

12 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Just like every state in India Karnataka too has caste polarization.  You see Gowdas to rally behind JDS and now Congress. Lingayaths to rally behind BJP. Shettys are split but as are more costal they are inclined to vote BJP in urban areas. SCs aligned with Congress, Kurubas rallied behind Siddiramiah. I can go on. What perhaps is absent in karnataka is open display of loyalties and celebrating their leaders. Other than that AP is not as bad per se.

It's the other way around. Caste awareness is very high in Andhra and feudalism still rules in hinterland Telangana.  Try fighting any one caste person in Andhra, you will see a group of their caste men immediately throwing their support behind them. This is not just about Kammas, Kapus every other caste say Rajus, chettibalijas, Malas.  I can speak of Andhra, specifically Godavari districts  where people became free of their dependence on land owing castes very early on, but it appears not to be the case in interior Telangana. 

Also, Rayalseema is still not at par with Andhra in that sense. AP by the strength of its fertile deltas, and ports is one of the best states in India. It may be lacking in MNC investments to the extent of Hyderabad, but the rural belt of Andhra (not Seema) is way ahead of Telengana. 

 

Caste votebank is there in all states. But to what degree does it dominate all spheres of life. 

Ironic considering Seema Cheddies were called Cops once. TG Cheddies were Patels or Deshmukhs. 

Caste power also influenced by how many powerful leaders does your district produce. Krishna, Guntur, and maybe Chittoor dominate like that.

[Teluguredu]

14 hours ago, venkappa said:

Some parts of Guntur are good. ATP and UA are quite impoverished. 

Krishna is richest widespread. Vizag rich because city.

Also depends how many powerful leaders does your district produce. Krishna, Guntur, and maybe Chittoor dominate like that.

Only urban parts are decent in guntur rural is bad.

 

Rural development godavari is first followed by krishna and Nellore.

[venkappa]

8 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

Only urban parts are decent in guntur rural is bad.

 

Rural development godavari is first followed by krishna and Nellore.

Agree with you there. Guntur also has benefits of producing so many powerful leaders from a long time.

I believe Guntur, then Chittoor hold this distinction. 

[Teluguredu]

2 minutes ago, venkappa said:

Agree with you there. Guntur also has benefits of producing so many powerful leaders from a long time.

I believe Guntur, then Chittoor hold this distinction. 

Although both of those districts are titled towards one caste each ,you can find good leaders and businessmen from both r and k in both districts unlike Nellore and krishna with one cassete domination.

[venkappa]

4 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Although both of those districts are titled towards one caste each ,you can find good leaders and businessmen from both r and k in both districts unlike Nellore and krishna with one cassete domination.

“Good leader” may be subjective here. But Guntur definitely outpaces other districts in producing influential/powerful politicians. Also helps to be backed by wealthy benefactors from Krishna and Guntur.

Chittoor is second place. But I hear they get backing from Nellore, Tamil, and Kannada businessmen. 

Something about those two jillas that give it the edge in creating powerful rajakeeya nayakulu.